Lumin X1

[thingswelike]

Can I connect my QNAP NAS directly to the Lumin?

Yes, that's the intention.
Of course, it's best if you have a fanless NAS, as it will now be close to your hi-fi. But please experiment.


It says this on the website, but perhaps it's a bit hidden.

Quote from X1 page:

• [h=3]Optical Network:[/h]
  • Industry-standard SFP
  • 1000Base-T Gigabit Ethernet
  • Adapter may be needed for your particular switch/cables
  • Use simultaneously with RJ45 (e.g. connect one to router and one to LUMIN L1 or NAS)

Note: Don't connect the RJ45 back to the network switch by accident as it will form a loop and will bring down the network (just as it would if you looped between two switches).

 

[BlueSky]

Thanks for that. I have my NAS going through a switch to the X1 all via fiber right now. I may take the NAS directly to the X1 and then use one of the other copper connections on the NAS to go back to the router but that may not work either. I wish I could simply stop playing and leave well enough alone. Also, there is another thread specific to X1 networking that this may be more appropriate in.

 

[thingswelike]

I may take the NAS directly to the X1 and then use one of the other copper connections on the NAS to go back to the router but that may not work either.

No, that would create a loop again. No need to connect it back - if the NAS is connected to LUMIN via RJ45, then it's on the network and can be seen by anything else on the network.

I wish I could simply stop playing and leave well enough alone.

Ha! The curse of many of us. Thankfully 2 children and 2 cats made fiddling a bit pointless, so I've stopped (for now ).

 

[BlueSky]

No, that would create a loop again. No need to connect it back - if the NAS is connected to LUMIN via RJ45, then it's on the network and can be seen by anything else on the network.
Ha! The curse of many of us. Thankfully 2 children and 2 cats made fiddling a bit pointless, so I've stopped (for now ).

If this works: X1 ----> via fiber ----> QNAP NAS SFP (Ethernet 3) and then QNAP NAS -----> via RJ-45 copper ----> QNAP switch ----> via RJ-45 copper ----> router (or the NAS's RJ-45 copper directly to the router) there may not be a loop as there is only a single connection to the X1. My only concern would be if the X1 can get an IP address through the QNAP without having to be connected to the router.


I could be all wet as well My kid is heading off to college in September so I am done spending in very short order.

 

[thingswelike]

Ah - I understand. I'm not familiar enough with the QNAP to know whether the ports can be used in this way, but my hunch is that they can). Perhaps someone else can chime in.

 

[jeffhk]

I'd be interested to know the answer to this as well as I patiently wait for delivery of my new X1. If possible I'd like to connect the X1 directly to my Synology NAS without going via a router and/or switch. I guess the only way to know if this works or not is to try it and see what happens.

 

[wklie]

If this works: X1 ----> via fiber ----> QNAP NAS SFP (Ethernet 3) and then QNAP NAS -----> via RJ-45 copper ----> QNAP switch ----> via RJ-45 copper ----> router (or the NAS's RJ-45 copper directly to the router) there may not be a loop as there is only a single connection to the X1. My only concern would be if the X1 can get an IP address through the QNAP without having to be connected to the router.

You'll need to configure the QNAP to make the two network interfaces bridged, probably via the QNAP Virtual Switch function. I'm not sure it'll work though, as it's not known whether its bridge passes multicast packets even if it allows the X1 to get an IP address.

In your proposed setup, two network interfaces of QNAP are used, and only one network interface of X1 is used. (If you connect the other network interface of X1 to the network it'll create an undesirable network loop.)

In post #259 that you asked, it should be:

Router/switch - copper Ethernet - RJ45 of X1 / SFP of X1 - fiber - QNAP

Note two network interfaces of X1 are used, but only one network interface of QNAP is used. The X1 bridges its two network interfaces by hardware. It allows the QNAP to get an IP address, but it's best to reserve an IP address for the NAS in the router DHCP allocation. (If you connect the other network interface of QNAP to the network and enabled bridged mode it'll create an undesirable network loop.)

 

[BlueSky]

You'll need to configure the QNAP to make the two network interfaces bridged, probably via the QNAP Virtual Switch function. I'm not sure it'll work though, as it's not known whether its bridge passes multicast packets even if it allows the X1 to get an IP address.

In your proposed setup, two network interfaces of QNAP are used, and only one network interface of X1 is used. (If you connect the other network interface of X1 to the network it'll create an undesirable network loop.

Thanks Peter. I will play around with the QNAP's network interfaces per your suggestion.

 

[BlueSky]

Armed with just enough information to be dangerous and ask questions, regarding the X1's USB cable requirements, I am considering using a cable with separate power and signal conductors such as the iFi Gemini type of cable. Is there any requirement for power to be supplied to the Lumin X1 via the USB-A connector plugged into it or is a signal cable all that is required?

Update: The iFi Gemini cable did not work with the X1 connected to my particular DAC even though external power was supplied to the cable via an external power supply. I ended up relying on a Wireworld Starlight Platinum cable instead.

 

[RichardA1]

Qnap virtual switch works well with the Lumin U1 ....

 

[BlueSky]

Qnap virtual switch works well with the Lumin U1 ....

I was unable to get it to work for me. I was offered the "Software-Defined", the "Basic" or the "Advanced" mode and wasn't sure which one to select. I set it up and it appeared that a single I.P, 192.167.107, was assigned to all the nodes within the virtual switch. I was not to happy with that, for whatever reason, and ended up having to push the reset button and resetting the three network adapaters, the two RJ-45 copper and the one 10GbE SFP+ back to their original settings.

 

[Ym2000]

After 8 plus days of continuous play, X1 is so damn good! Too good! I must say T2, the unit I upgraded from is no slouch either and I think you will be happy with either one. In my particular set up I felt that X1 added detail, soundstage and amazing musical clarity. Thank you Mike for your help as always.

 

[BlueSky]

I like the minimalist approach to your setup! Very nice!

 

[Mike]

After 8 plus days of continuous play, X1 is so damn good! Too good! I must say T2, the unit I upgraded from is no slouch either and I think you will be happy with either one. In my particular set up I felt that X1 added detail, soundstage and amazing musical clarity. Thank you Mike for your help as always.

Congrats! Happy to help and your pictures look great. The X1 is my favorite Lumin by far. It’s so effortless and musical at the same time. It does nothing wrong.

I know it will take a while for people to notice and try the Lumin amp(s), but I must say, it’s a home run. If any of you ever get a chance to try one, you won’t be disappointed. You’ll be shocked actually.

 

[Ym2000]

Thank you! Im planning to add turntable at some point but for right now everything goes through Lumin. Experimenting now with sound quality of Roon/ Lumin route vs Lumin app - streaming Tidal on both.
I have read somewhere where there is advantage of running Roon sound wise but so far on my system Lumin app gets the upper hand on a few tracks I tested.
Anyone has experience or opinion on this?

I like the minimalist approach to your setup! Very nice!

 

[FDPDK]

Congratulations on your Lumin X1 , it truly is amazing and i feel they really are flying under the radar , not many people has eyed them yet.
Your setup looks great.
And my dealer has teased me with a combo of Lumin X1 and their Amp.
I recall the Lumin X1 to be exactly how Mike describes it..and also a big step-up from T2...and do not forget that the T2 is by no means bad

 

[FDPDK]

Thank you! Im planning to add turntable at some point but for right now everything goes through Lumin. Experimenting now with sound quality of Roon/ Luminary's route vs Lumin app - streaming Tidal on both.
I have read somewhere where there is advantage of running Roon sound wise but so far on my system Lumin app gets the upper hand on a few tracks I tested.
Anyone has experience or opinion on this?

Well i tried Roon with S1 ( which i had on loan ) and as you say there is also to my ear an difference but can't say in which favour or why , as i only tried the S1 for a week and Roon for some days....but i do like Roon for having much more info on the Artist or band that one is playing and their suggestions for new music.

 

[Ym2000]

I love Roon and it's ability to give me my music on computer along with streaming - they are def the leaders in the field especially like you say their suggestions are more spot on that rap heavy Tidal, haha.

Well i tried Roon with S1 ( which i had on loan ) and as you say there is also to my ear an difference but can't say in which favour or why , as i only tried the S1 for a week and Roon for some days....but i do like Roon for having much more info on the Artist or band that one is playing and their suggestions for new music.

 

[vinci92]

Thank you! Im planning to add turntable at some point but for right now everything goes through Lumin. Experimenting now with sound quality of Roon/ Lumin route vs Lumin app - streaming Tidal on both.
I have read somewhere where there is advantage of running Roon sound wise but so far on my system Lumin app gets the upper hand on a few tracks I tested.
Anyone has experience or opinion on this?

The difference is subtitle, I prefer Lumin app sound. Roon is a top quality option and the sound absolutely outstanding, but it set your computer as the core streamer. I prefer avoiding cumputer processes and transmission interferences.

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[Jsa]

Mike,
Do you have any recommendation for xlr interconnect between X1 and Lumin AMP?
I have recently become Lumin AMP owner. I must admit it is an amazing piece of gear.