Los Angeles area wildfires
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slowgeezr
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The insurance nightmare is scary.
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- #43
I am afraid (concerned?) that many ordinary folks affected by the Eaton (Altadena) fire will end up getting shafted by the insurance companies simply because they don't know how to navigate through the bureaucratic red tape. I do have sympathy for the better-off people who lost homes in the Palisades (or possibly even Brentwood in the near future), but the vast majority of them are both well-off financially and have the resources and knowledge to get what they need from the insurance companies. Well, get everything except their community back.
Puma Cat
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Rbbert, I’d like to get a copy of the entirety of this document, if possible. May I ask where you got it from, please? Thank you.
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- #46
A post on social media that came up on my news feed yesterday. You can probably find it; I will also try to track down the origin. It looks like an excerpt from a newspaper or similar publication.
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- #47
this is not quite the same as the photo, but the information and source are probably the same, and there are links to other sites with more information. No surprise that our President-elect is also making this disaster a political issue; so sad that our nation has come to this.
puroagave
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By national standards, Altadena is affluent. A 1,200 SF, 50-yr old starter home is $1 mil. Many are 2+ mil. La Canada next door and Pasadena to the So. have many homes valued in the mult of millions. Its another reason insurance co. started to pull out of CA, the inflated home values didn't pencil any longer, never mind the fire risk.
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- #49
A large percentage of homes in the Altadena area have been in the same families for several generations; in the 1950's - 1960's (when these homes were purchased) they were considered affordable by even the lower middle-class, and that description still applies to many who live there, even if not to the real estate.
a.wayne
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I wouldn’t worry too much it’s all planned ..
Porsche
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dr drew hit the nail on the head
a.wayne
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Puma Cat
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Rbbert, I found the link you referenced above and saved it to the appropriate place for future reference. Many thanks again. Cheers.
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Shadowfax
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Interesting. They also turned off the water off in Hawaii.
Another interesting point is that CA fires over the past years and now this year release way more Co2 than all the cars in the state emit and they are more worried about doing Emission Testing on the 60 Fire Trucks from Oregon than they are concerned about putting out the fires. SMH
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This has been clearly refuted as misinformation, there is no upside to continue spreading it. I know that even the WSJ isn't far-right enough for some of you to believe.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/los-angeles-wildfires-social-media-rumors-44d224b4?mod=WSJ_ENG_NAS_EML_DAILYDISCOVER_AUTO_NAH
Shadowfax
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I don't follow or pay attention to any Main Stream Media News Sources anymore.
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Puma Cat
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The SoCal wildfires are heartbreaking and I can speak somewhat first-hand to that: my sister and family lost their home and everything they owned in the Camp Fire in Paradise, CA in 2018. I remember scrambling like crazy to try to find a motel where my sister and her family could stay while they were frantically driving out of Paradise with the entire town and forest around them...on fire, and their home was literally burning to the ground.
Here are some facts:
The devastation we're witnessing in SoCal, as well as what we witnessed in Maui in 2023 and Paradise, CA in 2018 is directly the result of of climate change, or more accurately stated from a meteorological perspective, global warming.
I'll add that the devastating hurricanes and horrendous losses in 2024 from Beryl, Helene, and Milton in the Caribbean and Southeast are also the direct result of global warming.
Lastly, and just as tragically, something you guys may not know about, is that a critical ocean current known as the AMOC (Atlantic Meriodonal Overturning Circulation) started breaking down in 2024 as well, also due to global warming/climate change. This will very likely also have catastrophic long-term consequences for life as we know it on this planet.
Reference here: https://shorturl.at/HPO8q
The bottom-line here, from a the perspective of the Thermodynamics and Physics that directly influence and impact the climate of a planet, is that all this due to Global Warming.
What's even more heartbreaking is that Prof. Carl Sagan of Cornell very clearly and specifically warned us 40 years ago of the risk and existential threat that Global Warming posed to life as we know it on this planet in his testimony to the US Congress in 1985.
Prof. Sagan's 1985 Congressional testimony YT video link here:
And since that testimony by Prof. Sagan 40 years ago, we have taken virtually NO ACTION, zip, nada, niente, of any practical significance* to prevent it, either at that time, or since.
What's particularly distressing to me personally, in looking at all this scientific data from the perspective of someone who worked as a PhD-level professional scientist in a career of over 40 years is...we haven't seen ANYTHING yet.
*-Practical Significance: what matters in the REAL WORLD, where we all live. At least for now...
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Shadowfax
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The SoCal wildfires are heartbreaking and I can speak somewhat first-hand to that: my sister and family lost their home and everything they owned in the Camp Fire in Paradise, CA in 2018. I remember scrambling like crazy to try to find a motel where my sister and her family could stay while they were frantically driving out of Paradise with the entire town and forest around them...on fire, and their home was literally burning to the ground.
Here are some facts:
The devastation we're witnessing in SoCal, as well as what we witnessed in Maui in 2023 and Paradise, CA in 2018 is directly the result of of climate change, or more accurately stated from a meteorological perspective, global warming.
I'll add that the devastating hurricanes and horrendous losses in 2024 from Beryl, Helene, and Milton in the Caribbean and Southeast are also the direct result of global warming.
Lastly, and just as tragically, something you guys may not know about, is that a critical ocean current known as the AMOC (Atlantic Meriodonal Overturning Circulation) started breaking down in 2024 as well, also due to global warming/climate change. This will very likely also have catastrophic long-term consequences for life as we know it on this planet.
Reference here: https://shorturl.at/HPO8q
The bottom-line here, from a the perspective of the Thermodynamics and Physics that directly influence and impact the climate of a planet, is that all this due to Global Warming.
What's even more heartbreaking is that Prof. Carl Sagan of Cornell very clearly and specifically warned us 40 years ago of the risk and existential threat that Global Warming posed to life as we know it on this planet in his testimony to the US Congress in 1985.
Prof. Sagan's 1985 Congressional testimony YT video link here:
And since that testimony by Prof. Sagan 40 years ago, we have taken virtually NO ACTION, zip, nada, niente, of any practical significance* to prevent it, either at that time, or since.
What's particularly distressing to me personally, in looking at all this scientific data from the perspective of someone who worked as a PhD-level professional scientist in a career of over 40 years is...we haven't seen ANYTHING yet.
*-Practical Significance: what matters in the REAL WORLD, where we all live. At least for now...
Can you give us the Scientific explanation as to how Global Warming/Climate Change creates fires that make dust out of complete homes and melts engine blocks into puddles but leaves trees and shrubbery and grass intact. All the pictures from Paradise, Hawaii, and LA show almost the exact same patterns where Pine Trees that go up in flames easier than any other tree are standing just feet away from homes that basically disappeared to dust. Make it make sense.
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The SoCal wildfires are heartbreaking and I can speak somewhat first-hand to that: my sister and family lost their home and everything they owned in the Camp Fire in Paradise, CA in 2018. I remember scrambling like crazy to try to find a motel where my sister and her family could stay while they were frantically driving out of Paradise with the entire town and forest around them...on fire, and their home was literally burning to the ground.
Here are some facts:
The devastation we're witnessing in SoCal, as well as what we witnessed in Maui in 2023 and Paradise, CA in 2018 is directly the result of of climate change, or more accurately stated from a meteorological perspective, global warming.
I'll add that the devastating hurricanes and horrendous losses in 2024 from Beryl, Helene, and Milton in the Caribbean and Southeast are also the direct result of global warming.
Lastly, and just as tragically, something you guys may not know about, is that a critical ocean current known as the AMOC (Atlantic Meriodonal Overturning Circulation) started breaking down in 2024 as well, also due to global warming/climate change. This will very likely also have catastrophic long-term consequences for life as we know it on this planet.
Reference here: https://shorturl.at/HPO8q
The bottom-line here, from a the perspective of the Thermodynamics and Physics that directly influence and impact the climate of a planet, is that all this due to Global Warming.
What's even more heartbreaking is that Prof. Carl Sagan of Cornell very clearly and specifically warned us 40 years ago of the risk and existential threat that Global Warming posed to life as we know it on this planet in his testimony to the US Congress in 1985.
Prof. Sagan's 1985 Congressional testimony YT video link here:
And since that testimony by Prof. Sagan 40 years ago, we have taken virtually NO ACTION, zip, nada, niente, of any practical significance* to prevent it, either at that time, or since.
What's particularly distressing to me personally, in looking at all this scientific data from the perspective of someone who worked as a PhD-level professional scientist in a career of over 40 years is...we haven't seen ANYTHING yet.
*-Practical Significance: what matters in the REAL WORLD, where we all live. At least for now...
I'm surprised you don't recognize this as fake news perpetrated by the media
