Lies, Damn Lies, and Audio Gear Specs
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BlueFox
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46 minutes? No thanks. To much music to listen to.
I'm curious (and I actually don't know the answer), but what would MEASURE better?
This:
or this:
This....
or this...
This:
or this:
This....
or this...
Myles B. Astor
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Actually I think that you would also find that the specs for a car radio and many high-end amplifiers are the same also. Don't see many car radios driving home audio speakers, even if they are horns.
GaryProtein
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The video was well worth watching unless you DON'T want to know what is going on.
Certainly there are differences between components, but it's good to know where the data comes from and how it is measured.
Certainly there are differences between components, but it's good to know where the data comes from and how it is measured.
I doubt that the amplifier in my car radio is going to measure the same signal-to-noise 124db as my McIntosh amplifier (or anything else for that matter).
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IMHO.....
The primary differences we hear between gear is the distortion characteristics of the specific device.
It's not as simple as a single overall distortion measurement. And, it's not at all impossible for a device to measure better, and sound worse OR, sound better, and measure worse to any specific individual. The only thing important here is "the individual"
It's no secret that some distortions "sound better" than others. Thus, a device with low overall distortion, but, more of for example 2nd harmonic distortion, might just sound better (TO SOME) than another device with low overall distortion but one with more towards 3rd harmonic. The only important part to any of this is what sounds best to a given individual.
To me, me, me, myself and I, this isn't that complicated and I don't know why it has to be discussed tens of thousands of times each day/month/year. :disbelief: what's even more surprising is the emotion it sometimes brings out. :exciting: Listen and let listen, please.
Clearly, being a "tube guy" I'd expect my ARTs and GAT to measure worse..and I don't really care. Someone else would prefer the lowest possible distortion device. 'guess what, we're both right. Listen and let listen, please please. :heart:
Here's to a tube-like sounding 2014. :snicker:
The primary differences we hear between gear is the distortion characteristics of the specific device.
It's not as simple as a single overall distortion measurement. And, it's not at all impossible for a device to measure better, and sound worse OR, sound better, and measure worse to any specific individual. The only thing important here is "the individual"
It's no secret that some distortions "sound better" than others. Thus, a device with low overall distortion, but, more of for example 2nd harmonic distortion, might just sound better (TO SOME) than another device with low overall distortion but one with more towards 3rd harmonic. The only important part to any of this is what sounds best to a given individual.
To me, me, me, myself and I, this isn't that complicated and I don't know why it has to be discussed tens of thousands of times each day/month/year. :disbelief: what's even more surprising is the emotion it sometimes brings out. :exciting: Listen and let listen, please.
Clearly, being a "tube guy" I'd expect my ARTs and GAT to measure worse..and I don't really care. Someone else would prefer the lowest possible distortion device. 'guess what, we're both right. Listen and let listen, please please. :heart:
Here's to a tube-like sounding 2014. :snicker:
Bravo!
NorthStar
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It is with great sadness that I will now depart from this great audio site full of great friendly people.
{I will fix few things this morning though.}
Yes, the pressure is now at that point; all I do is try my best to participate and share good things, but some people see bad in me, and them people seem to have a stronger voice of reason above all else. So because of that I will explore other avenues of life at other endroits of our vast world.
Some people complained to the administration about me starting controversy over that video from Ethan. Ok, bravo you won; I'm outta here.
But let me tell ya that first; Ethan is my friend and a very smart guy, and that video is part of me, part of who I am all my life, part of my true beliefs in audio, how I grew up in this magical hobby, and nothing is going to take that away from me. You might disagree, it's ok, but respect me. And respect Ethan.
Thank you all who appreciate me the way I am, and can truly see the good in me.
To you all, I wish you a Very Happy New Year!
* It is only from the last few days or so that the pressure started mounting when some people started complaining about me and my true intentions.
Well, I'm not in a mood to argue, and I decided about a month ago or so to not give any more links from other sites, because of very high pressure imposed on the administration and coming from outsiders.
And because of that some important info is missing from two threads I started recently. But that info is only missing because few individuals saw in those two threads something negative from me. And they are so goddamn wrong!
{I will fix few things this morning though.}
Yes, the pressure is now at that point; all I do is try my best to participate and share good things, but some people see bad in me, and them people seem to have a stronger voice of reason above all else. So because of that I will explore other avenues of life at other endroits of our vast world.
Some people complained to the administration about me starting controversy over that video from Ethan. Ok, bravo you won; I'm outta here.
But let me tell ya that first; Ethan is my friend and a very smart guy, and that video is part of me, part of who I am all my life, part of my true beliefs in audio, how I grew up in this magical hobby, and nothing is going to take that away from me. You might disagree, it's ok, but respect me. And respect Ethan.
Thank you all who appreciate me the way I am, and can truly see the good in me.
To you all, I wish you a Very Happy New Year!
* It is only from the last few days or so that the pressure started mounting when some people started complaining about me and my true intentions.
Well, I'm not in a mood to argue, and I decided about a month ago or so to not give any more links from other sites, because of very high pressure imposed on the administration and coming from outsiders.
And because of that some important info is missing from two threads I started recently. But that info is only missing because few individuals saw in those two threads something negative from me. And they are so goddamn wrong!
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If the post I just made in this thread, has somehow offended you, I'm sorry. It wasn't directed at anyone, especially not you. it was nearly my own ramblings on how I personally see things.
In any case, Happy 2014 to you Bob.
In any case, Happy 2014 to you Bob.
It is with great sadness that I will now depart from this great audio site full o f great friendly people.
Yes, the pressure is now at that point; all I do is try my best to participate and share good things, but some people see bad in me, and them people seems to have a stronger voice of reason. So because of that I will explore other avenues of life on other endroits.
Thank you all who appreciate me the way I am, and can truly see the good in me. To you, I wish you a Very Happy New Year!
Bob,
Unless there's an underlying current that I'm simply oblivious to, I'd encourage ya to stick around. Posts like these will always polarize audiophiles. Hell, I have a number of friends in this business who sit on the opposite sides of the fence when it comes to the fundamentals of electronic engineering. Some of my friends believe only in what can be measured, and will quickly disregard anything that cannot be 'proven'. And then I have friends who will stick to the tenets of engineering when laying out a products foundation, but will then add their own artistic impression to the mix towards the end of the design process. The funny thing is that all of em' produce GREAT sounding Hi-Fi.
Unless there's an underlying current that I'm simply oblivious to, I'd encourage ya to stick around. Posts like these will always polarize audiophiles. Hell, I have a number of friends in this business who sit on the opposite sides of the fence when it comes to the fundamentals of electronic engineering. Some of my friends believe only in what can be measured, and will quickly disregard anything that cannot be 'proven'. And then I have friends who will stick to the tenets of engineering when laying out a products foundation, but will then add their own artistic impression to the mix towards the end of the design process. The funny thing is that all of em' produce GREAT sounding Hi-Fi.
highEndguy
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If you go is like give them satisfaction to your haters.
My father in law don't believe in cables and other things and that's does not let me love Him or enjoy good music.
I been off the site for a few weeks because envy grows everywhere but does not means I'm leaving my site.
I feel that's is my site like yours, Bob.
Don't go, you are part of the group
That make this forum like it is, the best forum
You are my friend and wish you
Féliz Año Nuevo to you and all
Nelson
My father in law don't believe in cables and other things and that's does not let me love Him or enjoy good music.
I been off the site for a few weeks because envy grows everywhere but does not means I'm leaving my site.
I feel that's is my site like yours, Bob.
Don't go, you are part of the group
That make this forum like it is, the best forum
You are my friend and wish you
Féliz Año Nuevo to you and all
Nelson
NorthStar
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I have too much love for Mike, our administrator; and he told me couple times that he received few complaints regarding the controversy of some of my threads and posts. At one point he was even threatened with law suits!
This is way too much, and the high pressure is not only felt by him but by me as well.
And this morning was the culmination point.
The last two threads I started; 1. Older 2000 article about some audio myths. And 2. This thread right here.
...They both were referred as controversy started by me.
And another thread before; about AC power cords, ...was also viewed by some people as a negative opinion about cables and all that jazz.
But the fact is that I want simply hear other's opinions and learn the most I can. Thing is that some people saw it differently, and I couldn't bring some facts because I made a deal to not EVER use other site's links. So I simply regretted to have started something that pissed some people royally off. ...About cables.
No more ever! And I'm out of here.
This is way too much, and the high pressure is not only felt by him but by me as well.
And this morning was the culmination point.
The last two threads I started; 1. Older 2000 article about some audio myths. And 2. This thread right here.
...They both were referred as controversy started by me.
And another thread before; about AC power cords, ...was also viewed by some people as a negative opinion about cables and all that jazz.
But the fact is that I want simply hear other's opinions and learn the most I can. Thing is that some people saw it differently, and I couldn't bring some facts because I made a deal to not EVER use other site's links. So I simply regretted to have started something that pissed some people royally off. ...About cables.
No more ever! And I'm out of here.
NorthStar
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Unfortunately it is.
It's coming from the underground, and has nothing to do with anyone's open public post.
P.S. I am truly heart broken, and I feel truly sad that this latest video from Ethan is viewed by some people as a negative controversy from my part.
The funny thing is this though: some of my interconnects cost more than my sources!
And my main speaker cables cost more than $25 a foot!
And I use 9AWG pure copper (OHFC - 6-7 9Ns) wiring here and there in my systems.
It is very simple; or some people hate me with a deep passion, or they simply confuse me with somebody else who I'm not.
One way or the other, no matter their misjudgement towards me or for any other wrong reason of theirs, I just don't need the pressure and nobody else does.
NorthStar
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But living in peace is way more dignifying Nelson.
Some cables do sound better (in my own systems) than others, fact!
...Speaker cables, interconnects, and AC power chords. Nelson, I love you so much and fully trust and respect you that just you you could be a good reason enough for me to stick around; if Mike, Joe, and Mark willing of course.
Because them three individuals have the stronger voice here, and only on their own can they make their own choice on what is just.
But judge no one, don't judge me, because you don't know the real me, you don't know the real one.
...Justice, equity, truth, balance, freedom, equality, love, peace. As Andre used to always say: "Live and let live"
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