Legacy Audio?

steve59 said:
I just listened to the Aeris at axpona 2022 and again am smitten. I asked the demonstrator if the demo pair would be available at discount and 'surprise' I wasn't the first person interested in that pair.

Here's my concern, My listening room has 7' ceilings and a total of 3200 cu/ft listening space and the speakers are large really big. also the new Aeris is fully active and comes with the wavelet 2 processor.
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Aeris can be built fully self-powered (full active) or with a mix on internal amps for bass and sub-bass and then either 2 or 4 channels needed for either mids+highs externally amped together or mids+highs externally amped separately.

Your room volume is no issue as I've owned AERIS with the initial DSP (XILCA 4080 studio DSP) and later with Wavelet in 2 rooms, one with less volume and with a 2-300 cubic feet more volume.
I think Wavelet will help you contend with the effects of the 7-foot tall ceiling though you might have a couple of other tweaks to make in that regard in parallel (and I'm not an acoustic engineer so I cannot suggest concrete answers).

I've also heard AERIS in 2 much smaller and 2 much larger rooms than what you have. Again,...I think they will work well.
 
dznutz said:
I will never buy another pair of Legacy’s. My first pair arrived in absolutely horrific condition, Took a couple weeks of Legacy trying to blame the Carrier before they finally agreed to replace them. Well, ended up I had to pay double the shipping and clearance fees through no fault of my own. Word of advice, stay away.
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I also understand the frustration with receiving damaged things of all kinds (non-audio and audio) and the disappointment of that "sh#$%^&" day #1 experience when
all you should have had was a great day after no doubt waiting many weeks and possibly 1, 2 or more months given all the challenges in the world.

You aren't being specific at all here as to what the damage was yet you are damning an entire company of good people on a world-wide forum with no context.

I don't work for Legacy (or any other audio company) though I am a long-term Legacy owner so I have no dog in this fight.

I have had 2 shipments over 17+ years with issues, one speaker and one processor, other than that, many pallets of speakers for HT as well as 2-ch back and forth
had no issues; they always made it right. I've had other issues with other brand's amp and other shipments; they all seem to react the same way when there is shipment damage, first blame or at least get the carrier involved. Not optimal and comes off all wrong (i agree).

If there was something sufficient for them to put the carrier into the process as an issue then I'd point out that every manufacturer of audio gear (and furniture,
appliances, for that matter) would do the exact same thing.

I have also had loose connection issues on 2 terminal plates that got shaken loose with both speakers with a speaker pair and other issues with loose connections
in another brands quite costly amps....these things, do happen and frankly sucks when it does.

There's no good answer here and I'm sure you probably dislike this reply possibly quite a bit.

My suggestion, give them a chance to make it right. If the communications were not as they should have been in response to you, a customer reporting
a critical issue (to you as well as to them) on day #1, I would (and have) written calm, constructive feedback after the issue gets resolved.

Respectfully...
 
Mark, to be honest I was never intending to make this public, but perhaps it should be. Highlights of my top 3 issues, out of many cosmetic ones...

1. Crossover was not secured inside one cabinet. You could hear it banging around inside while handling the speaker so I opened it up. One screw was barely holding and the other one was simply missed.

2. Crossover components were glued down... over a layer of saw dust... so the glue was doing nothing.

3. One of the grills was falling off the top of the cabinet, the grills are secured by brad nails and one of 3 had completely missed its mark. I attempted to reposition it, thinking that it was removable and the whole thing came off with no way for me to reattach it.

Ill post a couple videos when I can.

EDIT: Looks like there's no way to attach a video, so you'll just have to trust me.
 
dznutz said:
Mark, to be honest I was never intending to make this public, but perhaps it should be. Highlights of my top 3 issues, out of many cosmetic ones...

1. Crossover was not secured inside one cabinet. You could hear it banging around inside while handling the speaker so I opened it up. One screw was barely holding and the other one was simply missed.

2. Crossover components were glued down... over a layer of saw dust... so the glue was doing nothing.

3. One of the grills was falling off the top of the cabinet, the grills are secured by brad nails and one of 3 had completely missed its mark. I attempted to reposition it, thinking that it was removable and the whole thing came off with no way for me to reattach it.

Ill post a couple videos when I can.

EDIT: Looks like there's no way to attach a video, so you'll just have to trust me.
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It's good they are going to make it right for you and if these happened to any of us / me, I'd be unhappy as well. That stated, I'm
also surprised as I, nor anyone of alot of customers I've met over the years has had such issues (and they should never have
happened to you either).

I hope you get them resolved and the speakers you are meant to have so that you can enjoy them.
 
I guess I'm just that lucky, then again, I spend more on this hobby in a month that most do in a year. So I'm bound to experience issues, but in all honesty, this was my worst experience... by far.
 
So did you get them? If not and buying new, get them as passive as possible. I know Mark will disagree but I do not like the sound of the Legacy Class D amps. I heard the Valors at Legacy and at the show, both underwhelmed me by comparison to lesser models I've heard with other amps. I do agree the room should be fine.

I too am surprised a Legacy product wouldn't show top notch craftsmenship. I have heard there is a Legacy employee that is not exactly customer friendly, so if not talking to Bill on an issue it may be worth elevating it to him

steve59 said:
Were the speakers damaged in transit? That could happen with any company. I totally get your frustration with that. I would be picking them up at the show(if they are still available) and my concern is they will be to large for the room.
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Mr Peabody said:
So did you get them? If not and buying new, get them as passive as possible. I know Mark will disagree but I do not like the sound of the Legacy Class D amps. I heard the Valors at Legacy and at the show, both underwhelmed me by comparison to lesser models I've heard with other amps. I do agree the room should be fine.

I too am surprised a Legacy product wouldn't show top notch craftsmenship. I have heard there is a Legacy employee that is not exactly customer friendly, so if not talking to Bill on an issue it may be worth elevating it to him
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I like my semi-active setup,...takes 4 channels of external amps but that's opinion and you know what they say about those LOL; not sure I could find a way to make room for any more channels of external amplification or cables than I already have (it would take 10 channels externally to have a fully passive Valor as what remains in the way of internal amps in the Valor pair I have is still 3 amps so times 2 for both speakers and that rolls up to 10 full channels, 5 per side.

Aeris could be done with either 4 external channels (2 per side) or 6 (3 per side); as a matter of fact I had my Aeris wired in that way years ago just in case I wanted to experiment. I never found it necessary however that doesn't mean it wouldn't sound amazing, just never got to it.
 
dznutz said:
I guess I'm just that lucky, then again, I spend more on this hobby in a month that most do in a year. So I'm bound to experience issues, but in all honesty, this was my worst experience... by far.
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I'm sorry to see what you've had to go through and truly hope that what I and others have experienced is in your hands and you can get to enjoying them ASAP.
 
It appears someone beat me to them as I never heard back from the demonstrator. He did tell me someone had already asked about buying them at/after the show. They were fully active with 1400 wpc per side so thats how I would have gotten them.
 
steve59 said:
It appears someone beat me to them as I never heard back from the demonstrator. He did tell me someone had already asked about buying them at/after the show. They were fully active with 1400 wpc per side so thats how I would have gotten them.
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Sorry to hear that....Here's wishing you can obtain a pair either built new or as you want them and from a good source as soon as possible after this show.
 
Any Legacy Aries owners experienced the difference between the Wavelet and the Wavelet 2? I am on the wait list for the Wavelet 2.

On another note,I did experience a problem with my Aries build. The one cabinet had a seal problem with the bass drivers. My issue was more with the dealer. He was 3 hours away & never followed up with the fix. Legacy sent me a kit and I fixed the speaker. Legacy offered me a 50% discount on any purchases at the time for my effort.

I did have a beautiful pair of the Focus SE with no issues.
 
bjski said:
Any Legacy Aries owners experienced the difference between the Wavelet and the Wavelet 2? I am on the wait list for the Wavelet 2.

On another note,I did experience a problem with my Aries build. The one cabinet had a seal problem with the bass drivers. My issue was more with the dealer. He was 3 hours away & never followed up with the fix. Legacy sent me a kit and I fixed the speaker. Legacy offered me a 50% discount on any purchases at the time for my effort.

I did have a beautiful pair of the Focus SE with no issues.
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How was this an issue with the Dealer? Its simply a manufacturing/QC issue with Legacy. I would never buy anything else from them, they were a nightmare to get ahold of as well. Then immediately blaming everything and everyone else when the issues were obviously their fault.
 
bjski said:
Any Legacy Aries owners experienced the difference between the Wavelet and the Wavelet 2? I am on the wait list for the Wavelet 2.

On another note,I did experience a problem with my Aries build. The one cabinet had a seal problem with the bass drivers. My issue was more with the dealer. He was 3 hours away & never followed up with the fix. Legacy sent me a kit and I fixed the speaker. Legacy offered me a 50% discount on any purchases at the time for my effort.

I did have a beautiful pair of the Focus SE with no issues.
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A friend made the upgrade but doesn't use the DAC so it's hard to tell much, it does seem to function better. The new feature, I forgot the name, it's supposed to make the music more live, one of the DSP features not on the older Wavelet, anyway he could never get that set to where it was any benefit. Neither of us liked the effect.
 
dznutz said:
How was this an issue with the Dealer? Its simply a manufacturing/QC issue with Legacy. I would never buy anything else from them, they were a nightmare to get ahold of as well. Then immediately blaming everything and everyone else when the issues were obviously their fault.
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My problem is when you pay the dealer $20,000 plus & he doesn’t stand behind the product. The dealer delivered the Aries in a pickup truck & took the boxes with him. It could have been a Q/C issues but who knows with the speakers sitting in the back of a pickup half uncreated for 3 1/2 hour drive. Bill called me several times & sent the fix. As I mentioned they offered me 50% off any Legacy product for my time.

My Focus SE were only 2 years old when I upgraded to the Aries. The Focus were beautifully built. Now the Aries look great & sound fantastic. Probably my last speakers.
 
Had our GTG last weekend at our friends house with the Legacy SE. His speakers always sound great when paired with quality electronics. They really parrot what you feed them upstream. Legacy seems like a great company, a shady dealer can make any transaction a bad dream.
 
Mr Peabody said:
A friend made the upgrade but doesn't use the DAC so it's hard to tell much, it does seem to function better. The new feature, I forgot the name, it's supposed to make the music more live, one of the DSP features not on the older Wavelet, anyway he could never get that set to where it was any benefit. Neither of us liked the effect.
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Very interesting…….I was thinking of moving my current DAC to my second system & just going with the Wavelet 2 DAC eliminating some cables. I compared my current DAC to the original Wavelet & the current DAC is slightly better. I was using a better USB cable going to my current DAC vs USB cable going to the Wavelet.

Does Wavelet 2 sound any better than the original?
 
nc42acc said:
Had our GTG last weekend at our friends house with the Legacy SE. His speakers always sound great when paired with quality electronics. They really parrot what you feed them upstream. Legacy seems like a great company, a shady dealer can make any transaction a bad dream.
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Agreed!!!
 
It does but it's been a while so I can't remember how much. And, my friend is always trying and changing something, LOL

You would have to compare your DAC's to see which sounds best. My friend has a Lampizatar, the model that used to be the top before the Horizon came out, needless to say it's much better than the Wavelet.

bjski said:
Very interesting…….I was thinking of moving my current DAC to my second system & just going with the Wavelet 2 DAC eliminating some cables. I compared my current DAC to the original Wavelet & the current DAC is slightly better. I was using a better USB cable going to my current DAC vs USB cable going to the Wavelet.

Does Wavelet 2 sound any better than the original?
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I am interested in the Focus XD in my very well treated 14 x 18 dedicated listening room. I have a fear that they can be too big? I really don't want to settle for the Signature XD's and have remorse. My amp is the VAC renaissance 70/70 Signature for bi amping. Any advice on this?
 
Is the room sealed (doors closed) when you listen?

As an aside, I have Valor, a much bigger speaker in 14 x 17 x 8 with an open doorway to front hall in the back corner of the room. Wavelet handles it with no issue.

I would say having owned Focus HD and SE, plus AERIS before this as well that with Focus XD and Wavelet, you will have no issue.

Even without Wavelet, if the room is well treated, as you mentioned, I believe you will be good.

The Sig XD is good...the Focus level is much better!

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