Kronzilla , Odeon , Aeries Cerat and Apogees ....

[bonzo]

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There are more differences among different horns then there are between horns and other designs.

 

[AJ Soundfield]

There are more differences among different horns then there are between horns and other designs.

But the fact of the matter is that your dichotomy is horns/panels. Whichever you end up choosing, a horn is not going to sound like a panel and a panel is not going to sound like a horn, in your room.
It's one or the other, sound at LP wise.

 

[bonzo]

But the fact of the matter is that your dichotomy is horns/panels. Whichever you end up choosing, a horn is not going to sound like a panel and a panel is not going to sound like a horn, in your room.
It's one or the other, sound at LP wise.

I am not saying they sound anywhere the same. They communicate realism very differently but equally real. Had they been the same choice would have been easier (e.g. Duetta and Scintilla).

 

[AJ Soundfield]

They communicate realism very differently but equally real.

Yes, again, aspects. The horn dynamics, "blatt", etc. having the edge in realism, the panel, scale of spatial rendering, "see through" into soundstage, etc., lack of box 6db less power into room modes/decay, bass has better pitch and definition...but less 'slam", etc, etc, etc, etc.
You were searching for the Holy Grail...and found two.
Being a live classical music fan myself, which frontal stereo 2ch systems you listened to, gave the best immersion and cues from the hall behind you?

 

[bonzo]

Yes, again, aspects. The horn dynamics, "blatt", etc. having the edge in realism, the panel, scale of spatial rendering, "see through" into soundstage, etc., lack of box 6db less power into room modes/decay, bass has better pitch and definition...but less 'slam", etc, etc, etc, etc.
You were searching for the Holy Grail...and found two.
Being a live classical music fan myself, which frontal stereo 2ch systems you listened to, gave the best immersion and cues from the hall behind you?

Immersive behind you – Auro 3d or Atmos multichannel.

Like I said in the article, horns do close up immersion of smaller venues better, more fluid and flowing on piano, and brass. Panels do back of centre orchestral in a bigger venue better, and arias better. Both do others strengths well.

And I don’t like to generalize panels and horns. Trios don’t do realism the same way either of these horns or Apogees do, but do it by doing tremendous shock and awe on impact, bass and dynamics, wall to wall and top to bottom soundstage, great imaging. The bespoke horns I have in mind also do great bass. With panels, such bass will only come from an Apogee Full Range or Grand, which I will never have the space for. But they are pure ribbon so have the best mids

 

[a.wayne]

The above Sums it up for me , Horns have better percussive energy and excell over ribbon linesource on Brass , Ribbon linesource excels on choral , Opera etc , non a panacea , so room for all ..

Now what if you were to place that linesource ribbon in a Horn ....

 

[AJ Soundfield]

Now what if you were to place that linesource ribbon in a Horn ....

It doesn't have to be a linesource, there are planar ribbon horns which are more point source like all the ones he is referring to as horns (compression driver based I assume).
Ever heard a dipole planar 100+db horn?