Kronzilla , Odeon , Aeries Cerat and Apogees ....

Thanks.

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Listening to Aries Cerat Diana and KR SX Kronzilla on the Odeon Nr. 38 at Christoph’s
Listening to the Odeon Nr. 38 with Lamm M1.1 at Christoph’s neighbor, Michael
Krell KSA 100 with Apogee Scintilla, heavily modded by Henk at another neighbor, Rolf. Hifi Hood in Liechenstein
 

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These are beautiful speakers. I was very fortunate to hear two Odeon models at an audio show in Taipei in December of 2015. One pair was very similar to the blue horn speakers above. The other model was the more modest Tosca, I believe though the Tosca in today's Odeon website appears somewhat different from my memory.

The larger speakers overpowered the room we were in. However, the Tosca filled the room with wonderful music.

Congratulations!

Michael
 
Excited by the Scintilla the previous weekend, I visited Henk since I had one day off for Easter.

I have now chosen the Scintilla over the Duetta and the Diva. So that leaves me with a Scintilla and a horn choice that I will close off in June

http://zero-distortion.org/apogee_duetta_scintilla/

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bonzo said:
Excited by the Scintilla the previous weekend, I visited Henk since I had one day off for Easter.

I have now chosen the Scintilla over the Duetta and the Diva. So that leaves me with a Scintilla and a horn choice that I will close off in June

http://zero-distortion.org/apogee_duetta_scintilla/

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So you prefer the direct drive ribbons , i do too , cant get mine with the traces to sound the same , the 1 ohm does roast amplifiers and will limit your amplifier choices. The Krells are really good at 1 ohm , The FPB series not as happy as the older series , but much better in the top end. Best results for me was with a modded KSA 200. Regarding toobs, the BAT mono and VAC mono has 1 ohm taps , extensive conversation with VAC suggest their i200 mono's have no issues but its only 200/200 ..

What about the FR vs Scinnie ... ??
 
a.wayne said:
So you prefer the direct drive ribbons , i do too , cant get mine with the traces to sound the same , the 1 ohm does roast amplifiers and will limit your amplifier choices. The Krells are really good at 1 ohm , The FPB series not as happy as the older series , but much better in the top end. Best results for me was with a modded KSA 200. Regarding toobs, the BAT mono and VAC mono has 1 ohm taps , extensive conversation with VAC suggest their i200 mono's have no issues but its only 200/200 ..

What about the FR vs Scinnie ... ??
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Wow VAC too? In many ways that's the best amp from what I am hearing. Hope to listen soon :)

FR vs Scinnie - you won't miss anything on mids, Scinnie will probably image more coherently due to size. But FR is a bass monster best avoided unless you have a giant room, while Scinnie will fit in medium rooms more nicely. And FR is a project in terms of biamping, adding crossovers, etc
 
I like the VAC in the Mono configuration , heard them at Mike's, very little Toob traces at all and good drive on the S3...
 
Try the stages Norman and Joe Manley Speakers were originally his father's setup ...


@Bonzo

The stages are better than you give credit and actually measure better than the others , very good in small rooms and only fails due to the smaller sweet spot and height sensitivity.

IMO, The mini grands were the sweet spot of them all and a favorite ..


Regards
 
Never heard the stages

a.wayne said:
Try the stages Norman and Joe Manley Speakers were originally his father's setup ...


@Bonzo

The stages are better than you give credit and actually measure better than the others , very good in small rooms and only fails due to the smaller sweet spot and height sensitivity.

IMO, The mini grands were the sweet spot of them all and a favorite ..


Regards
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AJ Soundfield said:
There is a gent here in Brooksville that does Apogee restorations. Are there others?
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Where is Brooksville? The two official restorers are in Nevada, and another near NY - just outside I think. I have only heard Rich Murry (Nevada) Duettas which were excellent
 
About 50 miles north of Tampa FL. I spoke with Tom last night (long time member of the local SAS audiophile club) and he still does some Apogee restorations and mentioned the same other 2 gents in NV and NY you did. I forwarded this thread to him. Sounds like you can't go wrong with either, though he also mentioned there might be a gent on your side of the pond who also does restorations.
If I read your linked blog correctly its a choice between panels and horns? Unsure how such disparate systems/sound could be a close choice, but then again I'm no audiophile.;)

cheers,

AJ
 
Yes I would get them restored from Henk in Holland.

In the writeup I posted exactly how I think both systems do realism using different approaches.

I think everyone on this forum is an audiophile, level of audiophilia might differ :). That's why I really like Joe and Mike Lavigne, they just get on embracing various aspects of the hobby.
 
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Yes I would get them restored from Henk in Holland.
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Ah, I didn't catch that gent was the restorer. Yes, giving shipping costs etc, that would make the most sense.

bonzo said:
In the writeup I posted exactly how I think both systems do realism using different approaches.
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Well, I would say "aspects" of realism. Having heard innumerable panels and horns, yes, each has their very favorable aspects of realism, but are quite different in how they interact with real rooms and sound. A bi-directional line source and multi-point source highly uni-directional source, illuminate the room and have summed responses in the mid to far field that are far more different than similar.
There is no way one sounds like the other in a small room unless it's completely anechoic ;)

Yes, I'm sure its possible we all suffer from audiophilia to some degree, but what would you call someone who loves music, streams lossless from phone or other wireless device, to only a pair of SOTA active wireless speakers in room, no shrine of audiophile jewelry between?
 
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