Kaiser Kawero or Raidho D3 or Vivid Giya G2?

I must definitely give the Zellaton's a more serious listen. I wonder if they will be showing them at RMAF?
 
Just my two cents-the number of speakers on Agon often relate directly to how many speakers r sold and how many audiophiles get bored and r now looking for new sonic attributes. I think Wilson has around 30 US dealers. Zellaton has essentially one true dealer
Who controls his market. If Zellaton sells X speakers per year- Wilson sells 100X speakers a year. It only makes sense more of them would appear on Agon. I don't think it has anything to do with either brand being superior or inferior. The R and D going into cabinets, drivers and crossovers is very sophisticated and expensive to execute with companies like Wilson and Magico. If one prefers a smaller brand that produces a pleasing sound to their ear that's also fine. But please don't think Zellatons absence or near absence from Agon is quality related. It is more related to how few speakers r sold enter the market place compared to larger players

Nick
 
The zellaton grand and emotion were at the last 2 rmaf respectively. I spent a long time in the Audioarts room both years and became smitten with the zellatons, though i prioritized source components on my list to upgrade. Depending in your room dimensions and budget Alvin, i would suggest adding either the emotion or grand to your audition list. They are typically positioned out into the room, quite far from the front wall so space is required to maximize their capable range.
Chris
 
tunes said:
The zellaton grand and emotion were at the last 2 rmaf respectively. I spent a long time in the Audioarts room both years and became smitten with the zellatons, though i prioritized source components on my list to upgrade. Depending in your room dimensions and budget Alvin, i would suggest adding either the emotion or grand to your audition list. They are typically positioned out into the room, quite far from the front wall so space is required to maximize their capable range.
Chris
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My Emotions sits about 26 inches from the back wall. One of the secrets to the Zellaton's SQ is the fact it is an Open Baffle speaker. That gives the speakers the ability to completely disappear.

If anyone here is driving thru the Ozarks of Missouri on a weekend, stop by my place for a day. We can listen all day if you want.
 
Nick, I think you missed the point which was not about being on Audiogon per se, but rather the business paradigm that forces audiophiles to think that the new Wilson's or Magico's are the latest and greatest, thereby pressuring owners to dump their gear and upgrade. Yes, Wilson sells many speakers but since people rarely hold on to them (as is evident from today's listings on Audiogon), it speaks volumes as to long term musical enjoyment. I spoke with a Japanese audiophile who told me that Zellaton is now outselling Wilson and most mainstream high-end speakers there. Japan has one Zellaton dealer in Tokyo btw. My understanding from Audioarts is that Zellaton is more interested in quality representation rather than ubiquitous representation, which I think will be the trend in the future for the best gear. In the end quality will always prevail over quantity. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a speaker more than these Grand's...
Ozarktom, what electronics are you using with your Zellaton's?
 
Nick, and don't forget Fidelis Audio in New Hampshire. They also sell numerous brands of speakers including Sonus Faber, Wilson, and distributes Harbeth. Zellaton must be very special to Fidelis for them to add Zellaton to their inventory. In speakers alone, they must stock millions of dollars worth. Wilson has been number one for about the last 30 years, but now audiophiles and reviewers are discovering something better. I hear that there are numerous customers that have been trading their Magico's and Wilson's into Fidelis for Zellatons.
 
In my present set-up elegy, I am using the Job 225 amp with the Sony HAP-Z1ES music server. I would like to get the Red Wine Audio tube mods on the Sony, but everything is sounding so smooth and transparent as it is. Zellatons are so revealing, any cable or amp changes can make a big difference. I know there are better amps than the Job, but they will probably cost 10 times or more. I think trading in the Emotions for the Grands would be a better choice. But as the sound is at the moment, I am very satisfied.
 
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Nick, I think you missed the point which was not about being on Audiogon per se, but rather the business paradigm that forces audiophiles to think that the new Wilson's or Magico's are the latest and greatest, thereby pressuring owners to dump their gear and upgrade. Yes, Wilson sells many speakers but since people rarely hold on to them (as is evident from today's listings on Audiogon), it speaks volumes as to long term musical enjoyment. I spoke with a Japanese audiophile who told me that Zellaton is now outselling Wilson and most mainstream high-end speakers there. Japan has one Zellaton dealer in Tokyo btw. My understanding from Audioarts is that Zellaton is more interested in quality representation rather than ubiquitous representation, which I think will be the trend in the future for the best gear. In the end quality will always prevail over quantity. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a speaker more than these Grand's...
Ozarktom, what electronics are you using with your Zellaton's?
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Elegy - do you have any financial interest whatsoever with Zellaton? Are you a dealer or distributor?

Mike
 
Hi Mike,

Seems like you may need to reconsider the Zellations and give them a second chance with a proper audition!

Since we are talking about the open baffles so I thought to throw these into the mix...:D...... not your everyday typical system I guess. Anyone who is willing to go large and have the room and budget they should check this out as well.

Managed to get the audition on the Tune Audio Anima's while exploring something different.... In summary the Horn speakers sounded fantastic, very natural, lively and had a massive soundstage. Those who love the organs, trumpets and choir this will definitely amaze you on every level. Their claim that these horns don't sound like horns is very true and at the moment these are the best Horn loaded speakers I have ever heard. Good price for the performance and awesome fit and finish. Unfortunately I don't think I have the rooms for these beauties or it would have been on my shortlist. Positive feedbacks and great reviews everywhere.

Also the new release Martin Logan neolith - Haven't heard them but I bet these must be pretty good as well?

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Alvin
 
I would love to hear those Alvin. The new ML's look phenomenal. Hopefully Myles will get a pair. :)


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Just like Ozarktom and others I simply love the speaker. Others on this forum love other brands as well and are passionate about their virtues - that does does not mean that they have a financial interest in those brands. We're an opinionated bunch but it's all part of the fun....Would you accuse a Wilson or Magico advocate on this forum of having an interest? Ozarktom, how do you find the Sony? Did you compare with other streamers as well?

Cheers...


 
That's fine Elegy...just want to make sure there isn't any disclosure required. As for Zellatons - I look forward to a more serious listen sometime soon.
 
Any love or experience with the new line of Kharma's... especially the exquisite line with in-house diamond tweeters and carbon composite drivers? Many owners claim they are not that accurate but very musical speakers.

Any current owners or people with experience on their new range?


Alvin
 
elegy said:
The comparison of a reference speaker like Zellaton to pleasing Sonus Faber Italian furniture is, in my humble opinion, way off the mark :) These are completely different speakers and share no resemblance whatsoever. Zellaton got best of show at Munich from TAS this year (both Harley and Valin who preferred over Raidho, Magico, YG, Wilson etc…), and selected Zellaton as most coveted speaker etc... This is the only speaker in 25 years that have equaled, and in many ways surpassed my Quad 57's. They play louder and more coherently than any speaker I ever heard. In fact, as you turn up the volume they have zero compression - just pure musicality and control. Alvin, if you listen to Zellaton I'm afraid everything else will be unlistenable. They are a true music lover's speaker.
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Honestly, a Valin and Harley rave would make me run from a speaker. Sorry.
 
There are a lot of brands mentioned in this thread. I don't really know where to begin, but I do carry Wilson, Magico, Raidho and soon - Kaiser amongst others.

The Kaiser rooms in Munich recently belonged to my top 5 among the "real world" contenders.

Nola might be a contender as well if you truly want to set your music free (open baffle, ribbon tweeter :)

The Crystal Cable Arabesque series are up there with the best as well. The Minissimo monitor is a killer.

If going for high-efficiency in a modern, high-performance speaker - have a look at Stenheim.

I'm carrying all of the above, which means I might be considered biased. I should be able to give you some insights and advice though regarding the individual characteristics of the different brands.
 
Hello Sir,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us and it's great to know that you are carrying so many popular brands under one roof. I believe it provides people with a rare opportunity to experience and seriously audition their favourite brands and compare against each other.

In your opinion what would be your best pick for jazz and classical listening? Never heard of Stenheim until now but looks very interesting as well.

Crystal cable arabesque is also on my short list for auditions unfortunately there's no way I can compare them with either Raidho's and Magico in one setting. Can I have your general opinion how crystal cable stacks up with the mentioned brands.


Alvin
 
KeithR said:
Honestly, a Valin and Harley rave would make me run from a speaker. Sorry.
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Too bad if you overlook these Zellatons because of a TAS review. These speakers are very special in sonics. In the last 40 years, these are the best I have ever heard. Very few companies out there actually hand make all of their drivers like Zellaton does. The Zellagons are very neutral, but very musical and transparent at the same time.
 
If I could go this year Mike, I would meet you at the Zellaton room at RMAF. I am sure they will be there. Too bad so many audio shows keep popping up, these companies cannot afford to go to all of them. Now Munich is the Number One show, we need to have RMAF regain that status. If RMAF had two days for the audio dealers, two days for potential customers like us, RMAF could regain that status. And Munich allows families to attend, while none of the bigger USA audio shows do.

So it is amazing that Zellaton made it number 1 in the last two years in Munich with all of the many companies attending.
 
Sure! I look forward to giving them a good listen. I did hear them at CES - twice - and like I said - they were nice, but not something I would take over quite a few other speakers. But I will give them a real good listen next time.


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