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Thank you Nikhil.
Playing right now with the PS Audio BHK preamp. Just a great, great combination.
Playing right now with the PS Audio BHK preamp. Just a great, great combination.
Job 250 monos amps: absolutely wonderful ...
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Yes, it's only a soft pop and sometimes if I change many steps, it only pops once or twice, maybe a few times. The BHK is a keeper regardless.
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A smaller cost if you, or I, didn't have Strads in the first place and probably decent performance.
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The ELAC's offer similar price to performance ratio as the JOB. I don't think anyone would typically pair $45,000 Speakers with a $2k amp. Joe's Ayre monos fits the bill for that pairing.
I was thinking how nice the ELAC/JOB pairing would be for not a lot of $$.
But what preamp?
Hmmm...
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I was thinking how nice the ELAC/JOB pairing would be for not a lot of $$.
But what preamp?
Hmmm...
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The BHK is awesome, the STP-SE would definitely be great, Ayre KX5-20 would be a combo I'd love to try, Backert Labs is another I'd like to hear. Oh, and the Primaluna pre would be awesome too.
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Terry London tested the Backert against the PrimaLuna HP and said it wasn't even a contest. He likened it to his EAR preamp at many times the cost. As the Backert's are built to order only a few miles from you by a master "modder" and repair tech I am sure the standard 9 db gain could be adjusted with the order. Tube preamps have normally high gain unless you buy from one of the smaller companies. The Aesthetix preamps have adjustable gain but like AI preamps of old only seem to like certain tubes. The safe bet for any amp with input sensitivity numbers like the Job is always going to be the STP-SE unless you want the stark truth of a pure passive like the Luminous, Hattor or others. Based on the Goldmund pedigree I don't think the Job mono's would be out of place in a pairing with the Magico S3, Vandersteen Quatro CT, Focal Sopra or the appropriate Raidho or Dali. I am going to break my 225 back out again in honor of Joe's purchase and see how they fair with the KO's.
Terry London tested the Backert against the PrimaLuna HP and said it wasn't even a contest. He likened it to his EAR preamp at many times the cost. As the Backert's are built to order only a few miles from you by a master "modder" and repair tech I am sure the standard 9 db gain could be adjusted with the order. Tube preamps have normally high gain unless you buy from one of the smaller companies. The Aesthetix preamps have adjustable gain but like AI preamps of old only seem to like certain tubes. The safe bet for any amp with input sensitivity numbers like the Job is always going to be the STP-SE unless you want the stark truth of a pure passive like the Luminous, Hattor or others. Based on the Goldmund pedigree I don't think the Job mono's would be out of place in a pairing with the Magico S3, Vandersteen Quatro CT, Focal Sopra or the appropriate Raidho or Dali. I am going to break my 225 back out again in honor of Joe's purchase and see how they fair with the KO's.
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Thanks for the background info.
I am sure the 225 on the KO's will be killer. I love Nola speakers and I am positive it will be a great match.
I am sure the 225 on the KO's will be killer. I love Nola speakers and I am positive it will be a great match.
You have a good point as the Job225 was my favorite amp on the Raidho D3's.
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I don't get how a pair of 10kg mono's under $3.5k can push out those numbers without employing a class D topology? That makes my 42kg integrated seem bloated, and overweight by comparison :S. Does anyone know if Jenny Craig accepts amplifiers as new members? :boing:.
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The Job mono amps are almost 23 lbs. each. Certainly a lot heavier than the Job 225 or INTegrated which I assume means a beefier power supply. There's also a bigger heat sink on the amps which to me means business
Overall a terrific deal in my book and they feel like they will last a lifetime.
Overall a terrific deal in my book and they feel like they will last a lifetime.
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Joe, the Job mono's look well designed & have a beefy psu. They do indeed look like a very good deal like the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2 bookshelfs I mentioned earlier. Just out of curiosity I checked the weight of my first integrated amp back in 1991, Nakamichi Amplifier 1 (see below) which tips the scales at 15kg & was rated @80 watts into 8 ohms. All I can say is those amps performs magic tricks like Houdini on crack! :weird:.
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I had a Nakamichi with a Stasis amplifier. That was a great little amp no doubt. Nelson Pass certainly made a fine amplifier back then (as he does now)!
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Don't know if he still has any but a couple of weeks ago Chris at Parts Connexcion had a small collection of Stasis gear that he had refurbed and had for sale.
These are another on my consideration list. I really liked the 225 that I had. I think it was a little too early in my "rebirth" into the audio world to truly appreciate it. I would love it if Goldmund offered the Job in black face
I think the First Watt is similar in sound signature, only much more detailed. The other real difference is power... and gain... the First Watt is on the extreme low gain while the Job is on the extreme high end (Rothwells help a lot)...
By the way, Gratz Joe... like you needed another amplifier...
Randy, are you saying the Firstwatt is more detailed than the Job?
I have a F7, and have been thinking about getting a 225 or the monos now.
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Unless your speakers are very easy to drive, definitely GET the 250 monos. Waaaaay better in all respects.
I know it's twice the price but more like 6 times the performance.
I know it's twice the price but more like 6 times the performance.
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In my opinion, the First Watt is a more detail amplifier being that it is Pure Class A. However, and a big however is that it is very low powered, especially the F7. The F6 is the most powerful FW. The limitations are pretty much in that they cannot drive the systems extremely loud and hard to drive speakers they may not be able to get to acceptable levels. This is not an issue for me because the F6 gets my hard to drive speakers plenty loud enough for me. Many people would require more power.
I have been considering a larger amplifier, such as possibly a larger ARC, or PrimaLuna or possible the Job mono blocks mainly for the possibility of going to a different speaker down the road. Something like a KEF Reference for example.
But for me, the JOB 225 was great, and had a lot of power. The only real draw back was that it is very high gain so something like the Rothwell Attenuators was a requirement to achieve any kind of volume control from my Pre-amplifier. In absolute purity I do prefer the First Watt, but the JOB if very good and very acceptable. So if more power is needed, they can't be beat!
I have been considering a larger amplifier, such as possibly a larger ARC, or PrimaLuna or possible the Job mono blocks mainly for the possibility of going to a different speaker down the road. Something like a KEF Reference for example.
But for me, the JOB 225 was great, and had a lot of power. The only real draw back was that it is very high gain so something like the Rothwell Attenuators was a requirement to achieve any kind of volume control from my Pre-amplifier. In absolute purity I do prefer the First Watt, but the JOB if very good and very acceptable. So if more power is needed, they can't be beat!
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The STP-SE was the only preamp I tried other than the Nuprime DAC-10 that didn't have a gain issue with the Job 225. The Nuprime just happens to have a similar volume control circuit to the W4S. All the others required the Rothwell's for any volume control flexibility. It would be one of the reasonable priced options with the Job unless something like a Luminous or Hattor works for you. With only a couple of hundred dollars difference at MSRP I would find it hard to justify the Job preamp instead. Plus no upgrade path for the Job.
The STP-SE was the only preamp I tried other than the Nuprime DAC-10 that didn't have a gain issue with the Job 225. The Nuprime just happens to have a similar volume control circuit to the W4S. All the others required the Rothwell's for any volume control flexibility. It would be one of the reasonable priced options with the Job unless something like a Luminous or Hattor works for you. With only a couple of hundred dollars difference at MSRP I would find it hard to justify the Job preamp instead. Plus no upgrade path for the Job.
In my opinion, the First Watt is a more detail amplifier being that it is Pure Class A. However, and a big however is that it is very low powered, especially the F7. The F6 is the most powerful FW. The limitations are pretty much in that they cannot drive the systems extremely loud and hard to drive speakers they may not be able to get to acceptable levels. This is not an issue for me because the F6 gets my hard to drive speakers plenty loud enough for me. Many people would require more power.
I have been considering a larger amplifier, such as possibly a larger ARC, or PrimaLuna or possible the Job mono blocks mainly for the possibility of going to a different speaker down the road. Something like a KEF Reference for example.
But for me, the JOB 225 was great, and had a lot of power. The only real draw back was that it is very high gain so something like the Rothwell Attenuators was a requirement to achieve any kind of volume control from my Pre-amplifier. In absolute purity I do prefer the First Watt, but the JOB if very good and very acceptable. So if more power is needed, they can't be beat!
My speakers are 91 db efficient, 6 ohm, and use a simple series crossover...yet my F7 has a difficult time with them. I switched to my old Monarchy Audio SM70's and they sound MUCH better on them. Particularly more detailed and more lifelike.
This makes me wonder if my F7 needs some attending to.
As far as the Job goes, I don't really need the power they have, but I've read that the clarity and speed are outstanding. I use a TVC passive preamp, so it would seem that they'd be ok, as far as volume control.
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The 225 should be fine in you application.