a.wayne
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Everyone knows dither and clock timing is not audible...
Is the Problem with Digital Perfect Timing
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AJ Soundfield
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Well, that still leaves smearing, chopping, digitisis and whole bunch of other conditions for you Mr Wayne.
We have the utmost confidence your ears will pick them up with ease, since they are all real, not just stuff one relates to a shrink.
I know they are all facts because I read so on the internets and there's no way you and all those other folks are just hallucinating.
Youtube will capture it perfectly, don't worry.
a.wayne
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With your pillar to post digital system it’s a must ....
You should pull the King in too, two months ago his digital was ripping up his analog, now he’s not too Shure ...
AJ Soundfield
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Nothing wrong with triple D's. Love em.
AJ Soundfield
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Me neither. However you should be able to clearly see Mr Wayne easily pick the "digititis/fatiguing/etc/etc" sound, from the pure smooth "musical" vinyl analog. Remember, he and countless audiophiles have said repeatedly for years, "digital" has all sorts of audible artifacts. So this will be a trivial formality for him. Given what you know about both very different formats, you don't have any shred of doubt an audiophile wouldn't be able to tell vinyl and digital apart, yes?
a.wayne
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Haa ha ,
arguing no sonic difference between digital and Analog, is , well ..!
Mr Soundfield Not only sprouting the proverbial audio short pants , he’s got the matching Pajamas too ..
:roflmao:
AJ Soundfield
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Hmmm, I'm saying you're going to easily pick the difference, what are you reading?? It's going to be trivially easy, one pure analog, the other inferior digital. Mr Wayne trusting his ears to easily pick out the sonic difference. What could be simpler than that? The Youtube is simply for the record, so everyone on earth can see you perform this trivial, very easy task. No worries.
AJ Soundfield
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Ye of little faith Al. I, on the other hand, have the utmost faith in a vinylphile like Mr Wayne being able to easily hear the sonic differences between wonderful pure vinyl/analog and dreaded digititis, even if he is unaware which he is hearing with those trusted ears. There will be no need at all to know which is which to hear those sonic differences, as you will see Mr Wayne do on Youtube. Listening to music, the most relaxing, fun and easy thing to do. Zero "stress" and all that. Just music and pressing buttons labeled A, B and then X, which can be either A or B, but easily distinguished by trusted ears trained in hearing those very real sonic differences. Fun, fun, fun awaits
a.wayne
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Ye of little faith Al. I, on the other hand, have the utmost faith in a vinylphile like Mr Wayne being able to easily hear the sonic differences between wonderful pure vinyl/analog and dreaded digititis, even if he is unaware which he is hearing with those trusted ears. There will be no need at all to know which is which to hear those sonic differences, as you will see Mr Wayne do on Youtube. Listening to music, the most relaxing, fun and easy thing to do. Zero "stress" and all that. Just music and pressing buttons labeled A, B and then X, which can be either A or B, but easily distinguished by trusted ears trained in hearing those very real sonic differences. Fun, fun, fun awaits
I and i only work with X, Y axis , so A,B,X,Y or its not valid and before you cloud this up with too much short pants fantasies , less hit your no 1 misnomer , Class D vs classA, Ab amps ..
Remember you cant hear the ping of class D , less see if I ...
AJ Soundfield
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I and i only work with X, Y axis , so A,B,X,Y or its not valid and before you cloud this up with too much short pants fantasies , less hit your no 1 misnomer , Class D vs classA, Ab amps ..
Remember you cant hear the ping of class D , less see if I ...
Baby steps first Mr Wayne, A, B, C, etc with very easily recognized digital artifacts...by you. Once we warm up, sure, maybe a Class D vs _ for you to try. Wouldn't want the ol' "stress" when sitting in the easy chair, listening to music to be prevalent.
But if you want a Youtube double feature, sure!
AJ Soundfield
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It will all be fun
Youtube will capture it perfectly, don't worry.
Do you have any links to previous tests?
AJ Soundfield
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No Youtube, but we will once Mr Wayne does his digital artifacts easily heard vs pure analog demo, during our fun music listening sessions.
There was one at an audiophile meet earlier this year, but you have to be registered on Meetup with the club to view and it was not video recorded. Posting to Youtube will overcome that limitation.
Kingrex
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I don't disagree you can tell 2 sources from each other if you critically listen. The problem is, sometimes its a trade off in performance. Neither format is perfect (in my system) . Maybe someone else has taken it as far as it can go (today) .
My digital is very sensitive to dirty power. My amps, linear PS etc hum audibly at different times of the day. In a very quiet black day, my digital is wonderful. On a noisy day it gets haze and looses life (quicker than the vinyl) .
AJ, you know what your talking about, but are you saying digital is striving to sound like a record. Some companies may be striving for that. Other IMO are looking for as accurate a reproduction of the source. IMO they are also trying to make it listenable. As we all know, some source material was done right, others wrong. If a digital source was built to only playback the perfect source, all else may sound horrible, I assume digital designers are taking this into account as they voice their gear. By saying "voice " I am admitting everything adds a color to some degree. Digital, vinyl and tape.
So, what really will your YouTube validate. Designers equipment voices can be heard. I think we all agree that is true. Or are you saying one sounds better. I think we all have our personal perception of that.
My digital is very sensitive to dirty power. My amps, linear PS etc hum audibly at different times of the day. In a very quiet black day, my digital is wonderful. On a noisy day it gets haze and looses life (quicker than the vinyl) .
AJ, you know what your talking about, but are you saying digital is striving to sound like a record. Some companies may be striving for that. Other IMO are looking for as accurate a reproduction of the source. IMO they are also trying to make it listenable. As we all know, some source material was done right, others wrong. If a digital source was built to only playback the perfect source, all else may sound horrible, I assume digital designers are taking this into account as they voice their gear. By saying "voice " I am admitting everything adds a color to some degree. Digital, vinyl and tape.
So, what really will your YouTube validate. Designers equipment voices can be heard. I think we all agree that is true. Or are you saying one sounds better. I think we all have our personal perception of that.
CPP
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If you are saying the source as the original record or tape then I buy that and not some dac.. But also some of these original tapes and or LP's are remastered to meet the artist or the engineers original intent.
Kingrex
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CPP, good point. I'm going to say both. The guy making the master. His equipment and "work " make a sound. Then the maker of my DAC and server are having to interpret what was coming from the studio and how to best play it back. I think the DAC makers knows a lot of what is mastered is far from perfect. That is probably what has given rise to MQA and dsd\pcm converters.
AJ Soundfield
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Actually I can't. Nor has any vinylphile previously. But we are not Mr Wayne. He will have all the time to "listen critically". No time limit on switching...although before the track ends helps, since 19th century tech doesn't allow instant restart at some play time.
Btw, I'm still not sure if you fully understand the test. There is only one "source", the TT. There are 2 identical outputs, one being straight wire, the other being an AD/DAC "loop". Both are analog when they hit the preamp. But only one contains the "pure" analog, the other has been severely impurified with Mr Waynes "digital sonic signature" ("Pre ringing", etc. etc, etc as I linked him asserting previously), making it trivially easy for him to hear.
You'll see.