Installed Windows 10 last night

MusicDirector said:
Great info Dan! Thanks! However, my problem is that I will never use any of those "improvements or advantages". For instance my start up time now is less than a minute to come to full whack, so I'm not suffering there. It sounds to me like Win 10 is always on-line, I'm not too keen on that.
I wish I could try Win 10 on my XP machine instead if potentially sacrificing one of my Win 7 machines.
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Eric.......My feelings mirror yours about the real value of Microsoft's declared advantages with Windows 10. So far I haven't discovered any features I will use that actually improve my daily computing experience that are not already available in Windows 7. It was my curiosity that inspired me to download Windows 10 on one machine. So far I haven't had the urge to commit my other PC's to the new OS.

As for upgrading an XP machine, providing the PC meets the minimum hardware requirements, you can upgrade to Windows 10. Unfortunately it will cost you. Windows 10 is free during the first year after release to all Windows 7 and Windows 8 users but not XP users. I think that's kind of a rip.
 
Double-D said:
Eric.......My feelings mirror yours about the real value of Microsoft's declared advantages with Windows 10. So far I haven't discovered any features I will use that actually improve my daily computing experience that are not already available in Windows 7. It was my curiosity that inspired me to download Windows 10 on one machine. So far I haven't had the urge to commit my other PC's to the new OS.

As for upgrading an XP machine, providing the PC meets the minimum hardware requirements, you can upgrade to Windows 10. Unfortunately it will cost you. Windows 10 is free during the first year after release to all Windows 7 and Windows 8 users but not XP users. I think that's kind of a rip.
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I have two Win 7 machines and one XP machine. I've only had Win 7 for two years. (I told you I was slow on adoption):)
Yeah, I think it's kind of a rip they didn't offer the same to XP users, but at the same time XP expired long before Win 10 was even beta. Win 7 and Win 8 won't expire until 2020. At first reports MS was also saying that Win 10 was a replacement for Win 8 users only, then they expanded it to Win 7 as well.

What worries me and what I can't figure is why they are giving Win 10 for free to all Win 8 and 7 users, which are legion. I mean, at $200 a pop that a lot of sales being buried alive. It makes me wonder where the "gotcha" is.
 
There is a "gotcha", nothing in life is free.

Firstly, Microsoft are sorry about missing the mark with Windows 8. Windows 8.1 was a rapid response to address the arrogance of Win8 but it did not go far enough. The mob is fickle, so the gesture is about regaining market confidence.

Secondly, Microsoft was late to the consumer device space (tablets and smartphones) and it cost them dearly in market share. In fact, they were there but the products were clunky, execution was poor and market share wasn't on the radar. The first attempt at Windows 8 made matters worse. Needless to say Windows RT was also a mistake.

Windows Phone 7 was the CE replacement with the first concept of live tiles. The first Windows Surface hybrid ultra book/tablets were based on Windows 8 Pro and Windows 8 RT. Microsoft lost billions.

Today, Microsoft Surface and Microsoft Lumia products are stellar!!!

The Lumia 950 is predicted to become the best smartphone to date.

Undoubtedly, the device services model is sticky business and is a major driver of future market share. Poor execution, and low market share, easy to miss the boat during a technology paradigm shift if you do not have the vision to drive forward. Much more difficult to regain share if your competitors are continuing to innovate. Also the acceptance of bring-your-own-device in the workplace could have serious ramifications for Microsoft's overall business if they fail to penetrate the device space.

Things are set to change in a big way as everyone gets a compelling product offering for free...
 
Yesterday I've upgraded one of my desktop PCs a Dell XPS 8300 a Intel i7 based CPU to Windows 10 with no effort and no issues. Could not have gone any smoother. I think Windows 10 is a real winner. I have Norton 360 Premier which is compatible with 10.
 
Steve said:
Also the acceptance of bring-your-own-device in the workplace.......
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Good god, I hope not. If that happens full whack, I'm finished. I am not into technology that much these days. I used to be, but it's all moved way too fast to be acceptable to me now. I've become somewhat of a luddite I guess. I wouldn't know how to operate a smart phone if you gave me radar, GPS and held my hand. One needs a Phd to operate that stuff. I have enough trouble with voicemail, I still have not mastered that.
I know my way around a PC some and can hold my own with Excel and Word and other programs, but the rest of the stuff out there is a lost cause with me.
 
Double-D said:
George.......Good to hear your Windows 10 installation went smoothly. I also use Norton 360 Premier but still had to use Norton's "fix tool" to remove the old software and replace it with the newest Windows 10 version of Norton 360. Once I did that all was good again.

If needed, find the Norton 360 "fix tool" here: https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v113033802_EndUserProfile_en_us
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Thanks Dan! My Norton was still happy after the Window's upgrade. No need for the fix tool. :)
 
MusicDirector said:
Good god, I hope not. If that happens full whack, I'm finished. I am not into technology that much these days. I used to be, but it's all moved way too fast to be acceptable to me now. I've become somewhat of a luddite I guess. I wouldn't know how to operate a smart phone if you gave me radar, GPS and held my hand. One needs a Phd to operate that stuff. I have enough trouble with voicemail, I still have not mastered that.
I know my way around a PC some and can hold my own with Excel and Word and other programs, but the rest of the stuff out there is a lost cause with me.
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Once you are comfortable with navigating around Windows 10, any windows device will be intuitive to you. Windows 10 will automatically adapt itself to suite the device you are working on. The apps that you are familiar with will work on anything running Windows 10.

For example, you open your Excel spreadsheet that was emailed to you from your Windows 10 Lumia Smartphone. You may be in a meeting room and don't have your PC with you to collaborate the attachment with your peers. The meeting room has a mounted display which you can wirelessly throw your spreadsheet to. There on the table is a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse which your phone has paired to. Your smartphone is now behaving like a conventional PC... If that same spreadsheet is on your OneDrive share, you could be editing that spreadsheet concurrently in realtime with the person that sent it to you who is located at the other side of the world. I have actually collaborated on Word documents in this manner. It is interesting and entertaining to watch the words and markups change magically in front of you in realtime.
 
The version of Defender starting in Win 8 does not allow 3rd party like Norton to run at the same time. If you want to run Norton or AVG or other, you have to turn off Defender.

I used NAV for many years but as said earlier, it was way bloated and ate up resources. I switched to AVG Free which seemed good enough. Once I got a Win 8.1 system, I just setup Defender and nothing else. I have had no issues and I do end up on questionable sites at times. Defender likes to update it's definitions once a week or so, but that's a good thing.

With Win 10, if you still are not completely happy with the new Start Menu, just install the free Classic Shell and set the view back to Win 7, Classic, or customize it how you like.

Classic Shell For Windows 10
 
Steve said:
Once you are comfortable with navigating around Windows 10, any windows device will be intuitive to you. Windows 10 will automatically adapt itself to suite the device you are working on. The apps that you are familiar with will work on anything running Windows 10.

For example, you open your Excel spreadsheet that was emailed to you from your Windows 10 Lumia Smartphone. You may be in a meeting room and don't have your PC with you to collaborate the attachment with your peers. The meeting room has a mounted display which you can wirelessly throw your spreadsheet to. There on the table is a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse which your phone has paired to. Your smartphone is now behaving like a conventional PC... If that same spreadsheet is on your OneDrive share, you could be editing that spreadsheet concurrently in realtime with the person that sent it to you who is located at the other side of the world. I have actually collaborated on Word documents in this manner. It is interesting and entertaining to watch the words and markups change magically in front of you in realtime.
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Sounds amazing and all and I like the unification of all that, but won't be happening anytime soon in my life. First, I don't have a smart phone or windows tablet. I don't want a smart phone either and will never get one. It would be no use to me. An MS tablet on the other hand, maybe. I have an android tablet now which is a remote control for me because I can't see my streamer or any of the buttons on my remotes.
 
MusicDirector said:
Sounds amazing and all and I like the unification of all that, but won't be happening anytime soon in my life. First, I don't have a smart phone or windows tablet. I don't want a smart phone either and will never get one. It would be no use to me. An MS tablet on the other hand, maybe. I have an android tablet now which is a remote control for me because I can't see my streamer or any of the buttons on my remotes.
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Well, I'm not made fun of for not having a smart phone realistically, but that there is a good one.:lol:
 
Shadowfax said:
The version of Defender starting in Win 8 does not allow 3rd party like Norton to run at the same time. If you want to run Norton or AVG or other, you have to turn off Defender.

I used NAV for many years but as said earlier, it was way bloated and ate up resources. I switched to AVG Free which seemed good enough. Once I got a Win 8.1 system, I just setup Defender and nothing else. I have had no issues and I do end up on questionable sites at times. Defender likes to update it's definitions once a week or so, but that's a good thing.

With Win 10, if you still are not completely happy with the new Start Menu, just install the free Classic Shell and set the view back to Win 7, Classic, or customize it how you like.

Classic Shell For Windows 10
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It might be a trick, but to me AVG and AVAST are a bit more robust than Defender, not that Defender isn't any good. It's just that it seems AVG and AVAST update more often.
 
Here's an interesting site comparing the anti-virus products and such. https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/windows-7/I'm surprised McAfee is listed higher than Norton though. I never liked the McAfee products, they are awful in many ways, footprint, resource use and just plan don't work. I use to run McAfee way back when. Lasted about a month before I switched to Norton. I used Norton for a couple of years at least until it did not catch a root virus that AVG did.

I also uninstalled Flash and Java a few months ago. Don't really need those anymore.
 
MusicDirector said:
Well, I'm not made fun of for not having a smart phone realistically, but that there is a good one.:lol:
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Eric.......I'm just poking fun at you. I know plenty of folks who prefer their flip phones and don't plan to stop using them. I do miss the small form factor and ease of carrying one in your pocket. I still have my Motorola KRZR stored in a bookcase in my office just in case I ever decide to return to it.


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Double-D said:

Eric.......I'm just poking fun at you. I know plenty of folks who prefer their flip phones and don't plan to stop using them. I do miss the small form factor and ease of carrying one in your pocket. I still have my Motorola KRZR stored in a bookcase in my office just in case I ever decide to return to it.


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I'm still using mine :)
 
Nothing wrong with the classic RAZR. Some limited editions are highly collectible and sort after.
 
Double-D said:

Eric.......I'm just poking fun at you. I know plenty of folks who prefer their flip phones and don't plan to stop using them. I do miss the small form factor and ease of carrying one in your pocket. I still have my Motorola KRZR stored in a bookcase in my office just in case I ever decide to return to it.
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I know Dan, it was funny. (To me anyway).:D
 
Shadowfax said:
I'm still using mine :)
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Yup, still use my LG clamshell phone. When or if it ever dies though, that's it, I'll be going without a cell phone. They only make smart phones these days. I think partly because they want everyone on those expensive data plans. Of course, they don't count blind people, low income blind people (well, I'm low-vision and low income heading towards blind). They would probably think it good taste to give a digital watch to a one armed person or a comb to a bald person, anything for a dollar.:lol:
Yes, I still have a land line....well, ok a VOIP line and I'll never give that up.
 
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