I was @ a high-end video store earlier today ...

NorthStar said:
1. 64K was simply my sense of humor (going all the way). :)
...Sorry. ...In the future this won't be no humor anymore; it'll happen (we'll both might be dead by then though).

2. They do have 4K cameras, but not 64K (not just yet).

3. For some true videofiles and audiofiles not only you need to have the right bank accounts and stocks (market shares), but also have first hand experience by possessing the goods in your own home, or been exposed directly to it. ..Concrete comparisons with other ultra high-end products of the same category are preferable but not entirely necessary. ...The more the better.

4. I'm talking about my own experience, my croyance, from my readings and comprehension, and I am discussing it with you right here right now on this very post in the most friendly, same level, equal-to-equal, mano-a-mano, fun, pleasant, educational, interesting, with a dose of good humor too (for us the human race), on the internet, in a forum, of an audio website.

5. DVD is fine, Blu-ray is even finer.

* OLED? ...Tough world right now; size wise (easier for your smartphone, not so for front projection screen size). ...We'll see...

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I'm just learning as I go. ...And love to have fun while going. :)
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Ah, it's starting to clear now. When random humor is inserted into a serious or factual discussion in written form it creates tons of confusion. Humor, sarcasm, tease and other similar things do not work in written word and will cause big problems in communication unless those things are in context fore and aft and directly related to the concept of the subject and even then it's touchy. There is no inflection in written word and inflection is absolutely necessary for humor or sarcasm and the like to be understood. You can not put inflection in written word, one must state that they are being sarcastic or humorous. For instance: (I'm being sarcastic) (Just kidding) or even just (sarcasm), etc. I seriously thought there was some 64k thing coming up.

2. Ok, I'll buy that there are 4K cameras now, that one is easy.

3. Well, that was not part of my point, but whatever as it is a reality of it.

5. My eyes just have an issue with Blue Ray picture quality, but I also have not seen a Blue Ray disc played on a properly dialed in TV. It's always been on some store TV with the contrast set to extreme Medusa or something. It doesn't matter at the end of the day for me though because nothing I have or want to watch was ever or will ever be available on Blue Ray disc anyway. I guess one factor is that what I like is not popular enough to spend the time or money on making Blur Ray versions. Some of what I have was never even made into DVDs. I had to take the VHS and convert it myself.
 
MusicDirector said:
The Samsung curves are OLED and they are probably making non-curved OLEDs as well. Both Samsung and LG are top dogs in TVs right now and both make very good TVs. Vizio is also up there, but they do not make OLED and I don't know if they will.
Sony and Panasonic are not going to get into OLEDs according to industry reports. Panasonic may also pull out of offering TVs all together as well....there have been some whispers to that effect anyway.
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Samsung have one OLED TV. the other curved Samsungs are LED. Samsung have no new releases for OLED this year as they cannot find any way of bring the manufacturing costs down.

LG OTOH seem to have their unique OLED screens and going from strength to strength.

yes, agree Panasonic are between a rock and a hard place
 
XV-1 said:
Samsung have one OLED TV. the other curved Samsungs are LED. Samsung have no new releases for OLED this year as they cannot find any way of bring the manufacturing costs down.

LG OTOH seem to have their unique OLED screens and going from strength to strength.

yes, agree Panasonic are between a rock and a hard place
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I'll take your word on that since I don't keep up with it every waking hour and I was happy with my CRT TV until digital came along and turned it into a paper weight a number of years ago.
 
* Samsung 78" - 4K (3840 x 2160) - 3D - Curved LED = $11,000 (Canadian dollars).

* LG 55" - 1080p (2K only) - 3D - Curved OLED = $5,000 Cdn.

* LG 84" - 4K- 3D - 240Hz - LED - (Flat) = $18,500 Cdn.

* Sharp Aquos 90" - 1080p (2K -> 1920 x 1080) - 3D - 120Hz - LED (Flat) = $9,000 Cdn.

* Sharp Aquos 80" - 4K - 3D - 120Hz - LED (Flat) = $10,000 Cdn. (70" same model = $6,000 on sale; reg. = $8,000)

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<<>> Samsung Plasma 64" - 1080p - 3D (F8500 Series) = $3,500 Cdn.

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<<<>>> Samsung 85" - S9000 Series (UN85S9AFXZC) - 4K - 3D - 120Hz - LED (Flat) = $40,000 Cdn. (Non avail on my entire Island!)
-> I'm not even sure that Vancouver has one. ...I bet they don't. If I want one I can order it though.

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OLED is extremely quiet (LG, that's about it). ...And nothing big. {Some Samsung smartphones: 5" or so.}

Panasonic ZT Plasma Series = All gone! * Biggest size was the 65" one. Last price = $4,300 Cdn.

...And the ones from my first original post, of course.

LED is the real lead (deal). Everybody is in it too. ...Even Panasonic and Sony. ...And Toshiba. ...Vizio (USA). ...And all the rest; cheap stuff.
 
Good stuff Chris. And you are right, prices for 4K software and hardware will come down sooner than later.
...More accessibility/affordability to the masses.

But there is no doubt about it; the picture quality of 4K material is a very nice jump over 2K content.
I saw it with my own eyes.

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Also, I noticed that the ultra high-end segment of the video industry is expanding. ...More and more larger* sizes, 4K, and very high prices ($20,000-100,000). ...For flat panels, and front projectors.

* Flat panels in the 80" to 110" size!
 
LOL! :roflmao:I thought I was kidding myself when I stated that 4K stands for the price. I thought I was joking, turns out that is what 4K is I guess.
I was happy with CRT. I tried to fight the digital conversion back when, (did petitions against it and everything and lost). I'm fine with 1080p HD as well though, but would not want to go more than that personally, even for free.
I hated having to get a new TV because of the digital conversion when my old CRT was working fine for my uses, but I also anticipated using the internet for watching stuff too. (A TV to me a just a big monitor for DVDs or PCs. I hate broadcast TV and haven't had it in any form for years).
I only watch educational stuff and concerts and the very very occasional classic movie once in a blue moon.
 
NorthStar said:
You can also get a 60" 4K flat panel display for less than a grand! ...Or somewhere close, tomorrow, or the day after.
(I paid $990 for my 20" CRT Sony Triniton back in 86.}

A 50" 4K one for only $590! ... www.cnet.com/products/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd ...And she was only $400+/- earlier!
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With all due respect Bob, I wouldn't use Seiki product pricing as a realistic representation of the 4K market. Their performance level is significantly below the standard set by more established brands like Sony, Samsung, LG, etc. Seiki is just shooting to offer "4K" resolution at the lowest possible price, and their performance level unfortunately reflects those limitations.
 
NorthStar said:
You can also get a 60" 4K flat panel display for less than a grand! ...Or somewhere close, tomorrow, or the day after.
(I paid $990 for my 20" CRT Sony Triniton back in 86.}

A 50" 4K one for only $590! ... Seiki SE50UY04 review - CNET ...And she was only $400+/- earlier!
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Yes, that's why I'm laughing because most TVs today in any size are inexpensive except for the OLEDs, Curves and Plasmas.

I paid around $350 for my old 27 inch CRT I can't remember what brand it was though. In the digital panic I paid around $999 for my current 42 inch Samsung. Back then that was considered a good deal. Today, that same size TV, same brand, with all the extras mine has plus more would run me about $300-$400, if that.

By not concerning myself with 4K, 12K, 64k and whatever else coming down the road, I also need not worry about having to get a new TV when this one gives out, because I'd probably still be able to pick up the same or better for less than half what I paid or I'd also be free to go without as part of the same group of choices. I think there is years of life left in my current TV though. I've had zero issues with it for the last 6 years.
 
audio.bill said:
With all due respect Bob, I wouldn't use Seiki product pricing as a realistic representation of the 4K market. Their performance level is significantly below the standard set by more established brands like Sony, Samsung, LG, etc. Seiki is just shooting to offer "4K" resolution at the lowest possible price, and their performance level unfortunately reflects those limitations.
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Bill, it was only to show to Eric what's avail at the bottom of the 4K ladder now. But in two years ...

And yes, for $600 you can get a very decent 60" plasma model (2K). That's where my $600 would go instead of that awful 4K Seiki.

* That Samsung 65" 4K UHDTV that I saw the other day (comes in the 85" size too) was very very nice (Flat, not Curved).
It retails for $4,500 Canadian dollars but I bet you can get it for somewhere around three grands USD.
And that is common mortal ground. ...I'll wait for some 4K content and then I'll make the smart move, no sweat.
...As my secondary TV.

<<<>>> Time to hit the beach; this summer.
 
NorthStar said:
* OLED: LG in Talks to Supply OLED Panels to Panasonic - AVS Forum

** Flat Face Off: HDTVtest Flat-Panel Faceoff Crowns Panasonic Plasma as Best TV - AVS Forum

*** Value Plasma: Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014 - AVS Forum
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Interesting. Back 6 years ago when I was looking at TVs, the Panasonic TVs were not that great. PQ was just ok, but the reliability factor was the issue, lots of RMAs on them early on. Even with LG maybe offering screens to Panasonic, I still would not buy one because I don't know about the details of the issue, but it wasn't screens.

I wouldn't want a Plasma TV unless I have the perfect room for one. I also don't think Plasmas have as good a lifespan as LCDs or LEDs, but I could be wrong.

I wonder what Samsung is going to do since they are/were tied for first place in TVs with LG as of 6 years ago and up to now, so far as I know. I wonder what Vizio will be doing since they are second place in TVs which is not a bad spot to be either.
 
A long time ago Panasonic GAOO TVs were competitive with Sony. >> I know I still have my 31" GAOO.

Then came flat panels, and not long ago (2009-10) Panasonic installed a timer inside their plasma TVs; after a certain time the black level would recess!
That wasn't good at all from Panasonic.

Anyway, I bought several Panasonic (Technics) products over the years, and I learned few things about their customer service, and the behind the lines of their business and their product's durability. ...Personal; directly with dealers, technicians, representatives, and from numerous readings too @ solid audio/video websites (to confirm my solid findings).

Fast forward today; Panasonic is the new 2014 KURO (Black) King, with both plasma and LCD LED sets.
Samsung is a close second.
Sharp, LG, Sony, ... behind. ...Except for Sharp Elite, but they are nowhere to be found now (not competitive).

It is tough to truly determine the best when longevity comes into the equation.
...Because what use is there to declare this or that the very best when customer service is below par and that the integrity of the people and the product's durability are into underground question. Nothing last forever, and it is the same with people and their enterprises.

Everything is a balance; of time, quality, innovation (living with today and not yesterday), righteous (price, affordability, fair perspective, representative of reality, ...), and one product might excel at this particular duty for a certain time in combination with that, and another ... and in time everything becomes quasi obsolete, and we have to start all over again. ...Such is a reality in life.

Technology is advancing so rapidly that the only way to keep in touch is to be aware, and experiment.
 
NorthStar said:
A long time ago Panasonic GAOO TVs were competitive with Sony. >> I know I still have my 31" GAOO.

Then came flat panels, and not long ago (2009-10) Panasonic installed a timer inside their plasma TVs; after a certain time the black level would recess!
That wasn't good at all from Panasonic.

Anyway, I bought several Panasonic (Technics) products over the years, and I learned few things about their customer service, and the behind the lines of their business and their product's durability. ...Personal; directly with dealers, technicians, representatives, and from numerous readings too @ solid audio/video websites (to confirm my solid findings).

Fast forward today; Panasonic is the 2014 KURO King, with both plasma and LCD LED sets.
Samsung is a close second.
Sharp, LG, Sony, ... behind. ...Except for Sharp Elite, but they are nowhere to be found now (not competitive).

It is tough to truly determine the best when longevity comes into the equation.
...Because what use is there to declare this or that the very best when customer service is below par and that the integrity of the people and the product's durability are into underground question. Nothing last forever, and it is the same with people and their enterprises.

Everything is a balance; of time, quality, innovation (living with today and not yesterday), righteous (price, affordability, fair perspective, representative of reality, ...), and one product might excel at this particular duty for a certain time in combination with that, and another ... and in time everything becomes quasi obsolete, and we have to start all over again. ...Such is a reality in life.

Technology is advancing so rapidly that the only way to keep in touch is to be aware, and experiment.
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I hate to break it to you, but while I have no clue what a KURO is, Panasonic is far from number one in quality TVs. Today, LG and Samsung still lead the pack and Visio is running a close second.
Sony and Samsung screens were made by the same place, but the Samsung screens are superior because they have contracted a different set of specs than Sony has. I learned this when I was looking and before learning that I saw a vast difference between those two brands. The Sonys looked somewhat washed-out and not as clear to me.

However, in the grand scheme of things it's just like audio gear, it's down to personal preference. A screen might look washed out to one person and sharp to another. Reliability and life expectancy is where the numbers count.
 
KURO in Japanese means Black. ...That's what Pioneer Elite plasma TVs are called; KURO.
And GAOO means Picture King.

Eric, how come Panasonic top plasmas are the winners for the last few years in flat panels shootouts?
Samsung is right there too (color accuracy, uniformity, ...), but for Blacks Panasonic has the slight edge. ...Which gives you better perspective and contrast. ...That extra dimensional edge (blacker depth, brighter/clearer stars).

LG (plasma & LCD LED) and Sony (LCD LED) are still behind. But LG is gaining, and is the big pusher on OLED.

Vizio? ...Best for value, not performance compared to Panny and Sammy.

* My flat panel plasma is a Samsung (3D) one. My blacks are poor. But she's still working after three years (only one dead pixel).

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<<>> Anyway, the accent of this thread is on 4K from the top guns (ultra high-end high definition visual).
Because that's where I'm going next and soon. ...All digital, nothing analog. ...HDMI version 2.0
 
NorthStar said:
KURO in Japanese means King of Black. ...That's what Pioneer Elite plasma TVs are called; KURO. ...Or is it GAOO? ;)

Eric, how come Panasonic top plasmas are the winners for the last few years in flat panels shootouts?
Samsung is right there too (color accuracy, uniformity, ...), but for Blacks Panasonic has the slight edge. ...Which gives you better perspective and contrast. ...That extra dimensional edge (blacker depth, brighter/clearer stars).

LG (plasma & LCD LED) and Sony (LCD LED) are still behind. But LG is gaining, and is the big pusher on OLED.

Vizio? ...Best for value, not performance compared to Panny and Sammy.

* My flat panel plasma is a Samsung (3D) one. My blacks are poor. But she's still working after three years (only one dead pixel).
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Whoops, I was talking strictly LCDs, not plasmas, sorry, my bad. Yes, plasmas are a different animal technically speaking and Panasonic may will be on top in that category for all I know. For LCDs Samsung and LG are top dogs.
Just FYI: The LG and Samsung LCDs come closest in blacks compared to their plasma counterparts, but it's still apples to oranges. I didn't bother to look at plasmas because they are expensive and not efficient in many ways, but do provide superior performance in perfect rooms.

My regular HD LCD Samsung is not great at blacks either because it's LCD. It's better in blacks than Sonys, Panasonics, Vizios and the rest except tied with LG in the LCD category. Still works good after 6 years and no dead pixels....yet. Although I most likely would not notice if there were any dead pixels because my eyesight has dead pixels, not mention floaters galore, no distance vision and thickening inner lens all along with pressure flux(glaucoma).:weird:

For me, I'd rather have an LCD flat panel as I have now as it can be used in imperfect rooms and has wider viewing angles and much more energy efficient. I haven't seen an LED screen yet, so I can't begin to comment any further on those. I won't bother looking until I need a new TV which won't be for at least 4 more years or more.
 
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