How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

Arcman said:
If resale value is unimportant to good for you. one takes a hit regardless...just like cars, some audio gear takes less of a hit. My ZU Omen Defs will sing with high wattage amps, low wattage, tube, class D, Class A/B or whatever. I have had everything plugged in at one time or another and the ZU's maintain what I like in a speaker. Sure, some amps will play better than others. The ZU Omen Defs are a "plug it in and forget it" design that happens to be high efficiency. The ZU Souls are a different bird altogether and favor lower wattage tubes. I have personally chatted with Sean Casey thru the years. Sean sold me my zu's, back in 2012, based on the fact I was hoping to have large wattage Macs or ARC amps someday. If I wanted to just go with Marantz, which is fine, I would be going to Music Direct, ordering a N40 or Yamaha, with a good return policy. I would not need to come to audiophile boards and ask for recommendations since Best Buy is around the corner. I have narrowed my choices down to Luxman, Accuphase and McIntosh....all three look great, all three have models I am looking for.

One more thing, everyone knows advertisers are a big influence a magazine reviewer's coverage of a product.
The same can be said for dealers. Deealers have to make a living. Mike is an exception to most dealers when it comes to recommending components. Mike says many good things about audio gear he does not sell . I've written to Mike a couple of times and have only received professional feedback. I actually called two dealers (one mac and one accuphase) who did not have any inventory of the models I am looking at and did a hard sell on MICHI integrated amps. I'm thinking there must be a manufacturer incentive or the units are not selling. One actually telling me I am crazy for not considering. I'm sure the Rotels/Michi's are nice....a great amp for the money, etc. However...they are not what I am looking for.
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Complete nonsense. You might as well say everyone knows you are a tire kicker.
 
mep said:
Complete nonsense. You might as well say everyone knows you are a tire kicker.
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what is nonsense? Just because I do not buy the first amp the dealer has in stock? I actually placed a deposit this week on an amp two hours away. The dealer called the morning that I was going to drive over and pick up and said he made a mistake and the amp was already spoken for? Tire Kicker? I'm ready to write the check (and did actually). Just because I'm not buying from a couple of dealers who contact me thru this forum or by email does not mean I'm kicking tires. The emails/PM's I get stating "I know a dealer, who knows a guy, who deals with a dealer" is not what I am wanting to deal with
 
GreginNH said:
My personal experience having owned 3 Accuphase integrated amps (E-470, E-600 and E-800) compared to my Luxman L-590AX, L-590 AXII, L-509 and L-595A SE. I very much wanted to like Accuphase but kept coming home to Luxman.
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How do you like the L-509x?. There is one I am looking at
 
Arcman said:
what is nonsense? Just because I do not buy the first amp the dealer has in stock? I actually placed a deposit this week on an amp two hours away. The dealer called the morning that I was going to drive over and pick up and said he made a mistake and the amp was already spoken for? Tire Kicker? I'm ready to write the check (and did actually). Just because I'm not buying from a couple of dealers who contact me thru this forum or by email does not mean I'm kicking tires. The emails/PM's I get stating "I know a dealer, who knows a guy, who deals with a dealer" is not what I am wanting to deal with
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You missed my point. Go back and read the part I bolded.
 
Arcman said:
You don't think advertising plays a role in how products are reviewed?
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I think you have no idea what you are talking about and you should learn not to speak in declarative terms like "everybody knows." You have no basis in fact to make such statements. Stick with your own opinions and don't lump in the rest of the world with your opinions when you have no idea what "everybody knows."
 
Arcman said:
How do you like the L-509x?. There is one I am looking at
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The L-509x had a bit more lower-end slam than the L-590AXii. Maybe it gave up a small amount of "sweetness" that Luxman Class A has but it is definitely a keeper and would outperform any Accuphase integrated (based on my experience). Give it 200 hours or so to break in.
 
I had dipped out of this thread due to the "trollish" feel but I am agreeing with mep from two posts back.
 
GreginNH said:
The L-509x had a bit more lower-end slam than the L-590AXii. Maybe it gave up a small amount of "sweetness" that Luxman Class A has but it is definitely a keeper and would outperform any Accuphase integrated (based on my experience). Give it 200 hours or so to break in.
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Correction, I see you have owned 3 sets of Accuphase Integrateds.

I have personally owned the 509 back to back with the E480. The 480 is quieter, more dynamic and had better control in the bottom. Most people with experience in this hobby know that there are no absolutes, just great matches and personal preferences. At the end of the day anyone can hear which unit has a lower noise floor, and that will always be Accuphase.

In addition, so many people are drawn to Class A, yet many speakers do not respond or present well with Class A. Why people dont realize this I dont know, but if you dont know, you have to try a Class A and A/B from the same manufacturer with your speakers before deciding if its the actual component that you dont enjoy or simply the pairing.
 
dznutz said:
Outperform any Accuphase Integrated? Which Accuphase Integrateds have you owned?

I have personally owned the 509 back to back with the E480. The 480 is quieter, more dynamic and had better control in the bottom. Most people with experience in this hobby know that there are no absolutes, just great matches and personal preferences. At the end of the day anyone can hear which unit has a lower noise floor, and that will always be Accuphase.
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I have owned the E-470, E-600 and E-800. As I previously mentioned, my observations are based on MY experience - just as yours are based on yours. Not sure "anyone can hear which unit has lower floor noise" as you state but I'm glad you are happy with Accuphase!
 
GreginNH said:
I have owned the E-470, E-600 and E-800. As I previously mentioned, my observations are based on MY experience - just as yours are based on yours. Not sure "anyone can hear which unit has lower floor noise" as you state but I'm glad you are happy with Accuphase!
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Yes, I corrected my previous post. This is what happens when you just respond on a phone. Noise floor, you can absolutely tell, turn the amp on and put your ear up to the tweeter and midrange, theres your noise floor. Absolutely no one touches accuphase on that and its very important to me
 
My owners' manual for my preamp states that hiss will be audible with your ear close to the speaker with the volume at "0" but as you increase the volume control the hiss does not increase. This is an engineering choice along with the 6H30 tubes. I'm not sure noise floor even matters if it is low enough and stays there.
 
stereogeek said:
My owners' manual for my preamp states that hiss will be audible with your ear close to the speaker with the volume at "0" but as you increase the volume control the hiss does not increase. This is an engineering choice along with the 6H30 tubes. I'm not sure noise floor even matters if it is low enough and stays there.
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Cool, it matters to me and to many. My Accuphase system is dead silent.
 
I've never owned an amp that generated any hum or hiss that I could hear. (All solid state). It's hard for me to understand when people talk about lowered noise floor, dead silent, etc.

Just my experience, not trying to argue or say it's not the case for others.

ok, other than my 64 Deluxe Reverb or Marshall 18w....
 
So Arcman, what integrated amp did you end up with?
 
I just paid for a purchase and it will be shipped today. I'm really excited. I'm not going to say anything until the amp is in my possession (due to my poor luck with previous purchase attempt). Like I stated before, I actually placed a down payment on a McIntosh MA8950. However, the morning that I was going to pick it up with a cashier's check in hand, the dealer called and said he made a "mistake" and said it was a customer order that he was not aware. The dealer did offer me a Rotel Michi integrated, however, I declined. It all worked out better, I now have a "dream" integrated on it's way.
 
Arcman said:
I just paid for a purchase and it will be shipped today. I'm really excited. I'm not going to say anything until the amp is in my possession (due to my poor luck with previous purchase attempt). Like I stated before, I actually placed a down payment on a McIntosh MA8950. However, the morning that I was going to pick it up with a cashier's check in hand, the dealer called and said he made a "mistake" and said it was a customer order that he was not aware. The dealer did offer me a Rotel Michi integrated, however, I declined. It all worked out better, I now have a "dream" integrated on it's way.
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New or used?
 
GreginNH said:
My personal experience having owned 3 Accuphase integrated amps (E-470, E-600 and E-800) compared to my Luxman L-590AX, L-590 AXII, L-509 and L-595A SE. I very much wanted to like Accuphase but kept coming home to Luxman.
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Same here. I was very happy when I got my hands on an E650. In my opinion it has a pretty unique sound that is very smooth with highly saturated colors and great detail. It's a beautiful piece and I think the fit and finish is a notch above Luxman, though I'm not crazy about the gold color. Ultimately I found the tonal balance slightly tipped up, a tad too much energy in the upper midrange, which is something I'm sensitive to. I've ended up with a Luxman 509x and M800a for my 2 systems. The 509x is oddly both more crisp, clean, extended on the top end, with sharper leading edge, but also very evenly balanced across the spectrum. It just sounds more realistic and nuanced than Accuphase to my ears. I really wanted to love the Accuphase but the Luxman sound does it for me.
 
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