How many members are digital audio purists ? Meaning no streaming or analog just CD/SACD

I have to say I fit into the lazy and getting old camp where even if it were true that spinning discs on a good transport was “better” for the same reason I gave up vinyl I gave up transports and rely on computer solutions

I will say with the MSB Select II I have, like never before, now realize how good some of the old redbook recordings really were. In fact I’m going to go as far as saying I think the greatest strength of the MSB Select is how amazing we’ll recorded redbook really sounds against many of the DSD and/or high res remasters.

In the end the quality of the recording is the most important aspect of the SQ.
 
And to make sure we don’t get to far off track. My original reply was to this post.


Not sure I can define it much more than what I wrote before; maybe I could say it's just a sense that if there's a piece of plastic involved, spinning on a mechanical platter, it's not as "purely digital" as a stream of bits and bytes over a network, for instance. To me the most purely digital is getting as close to 0's and 1's from start to finish. Just a musing on a different reaction to the OP.
 
Spinning CDs on my Esoteric K-01x is truly one of my greatest joys! I still love the ritual, even after doing it thousands of times.

I just did this 10 min ago:

  • Flip through my collection, I love the tactile experience. Curated by me, each item in my collection purchased for a reason. A few duds, of course, but even those hold some meaning.
  • Pick up my copy of pearl jam ten, (vaguely) remembering the wild party back in 1991 where it ended up in the pool and destroyed the booklet.
  • Press the eject button on my CD player. The chrome slot cover moves out of the way and the tray comes out. Quickly at first, then slowing near the end of it's travel. It's mesmerizing to watch, the attention to detail is just insane.
  • The tray is solid machined aluminum. Pop the CD on the tray and close it. It closes with the same cool variable-speed motion, and makes a supremely satisfying "SNICK" noise as the transport securely clamps onto the CD.
  • Listen to the transport spin up and read the CD. The 3 phase drive is much quieter than my old K-03, but you can still hear it. The display updates: 11 tracks total, 53 minutes and 24 seconds of pure awesomeness. I haven't listened to this CD in years!
  • Sit back in my chair, press play on my remote. Listen to the intro build on track 1. Hell yeah, this is what it's all about after long shitty week at work!
As track 1 is finishing up, I can already hear in my mind the transition to track 2. This is an album. I always listen to it as such. No random playlasts for this dude. The order of the songs, and their numbers stuck in my mind. I can anticipate each song as the music flows. After all these years, I still remember that track 9 is my favorite, even if I can't remember the name of it.

For me, this is just how this music was meant to be listened to. I have a server, and every CD I own is ripped onto it. I have high-rez downloads, SACD rips from my oppo, and even a few needle drops recorded on a friends Tascam. Running Roon, with my Tidal subscription, I can access just about anything from the comfort of my chair via my surface tablet touchscreen. Yet, after I finish typing this, and after the CD finishes, I will still get up out of my chair and pop in the new Bob Moses CD I received from Amazon last week.

I'm silver disc addict!

I have a high-end server I built myself. It sits in a really nice aluminum case from Atech Fabrication. The CPU is cooled via heat pipes, and it's filled with SSDs. There are no fans or spinning / moving parts. It is powered with a separate linear power supply. I spent countless hours carefully ripping my CDs to a single .wav file with a cuesheet to delineate the track boundaries. I spent ages on Hydrogen Audio back in the day learning how to setup EAC to ensure a bit-perfect rip. I have scanned each of my CD covers in high-resolution and perfectly cropped each one. I have compared the meta-data to the actual CD booklet for every single disc to ensure it is completely accurate. After going crazy with napster in it's heyday, I have long since replaced every .mp3 worth owning with a purchased CD (and then deleted all of my .mp3 content entirely). With the advent of Roon, which I absolutely love, I have written a utility that splits my CD images into separate tracks and transcodes to FLAC for consumption in Roon. Roon has made much of my efforts managing my meta-data obsolete, and has brought back some of the magic of exploring CD booklets. It's great if I'm feeling especially lazy -- but for me it still isn't quite as satisfying as spinning a disc.

And streaming is truly an amazing experience. My Tidal membership gives me access to a mind-boogling library of music. But, while it's great for exploring new music, I still prefer to buy physical media and build my collection vs renting. My kids think i'm nuts, they can't imaging ever wanting to own music. Their style of music consumption just doesn't resonate with me. They hear a catchy tune on the radio, stream the crap out of it for a while, then never return to it. I still have a huge respect for the Album as an art form, and I love to collect them in their physical form. I sometimes get overwhelmed by the shear quantity of music available to stream, often preferring the comfort of my "limited" collection of 3000 or so CDs. I do like streaming as a vehicle for discovering new music. being able to instantly "try before you buy" virtually any recorded work is an invaluable capability.

Damn, I love my CDs!

This is my favorite post on any forum, ever! It's Friday and you just captured the essence of my love for great music sounding better. Thank you!
 
This is my favorite post on any forum, ever! It's Friday and you just captured the essence of my love for great music sounding better. Thank you!

Agreed! That’s a great post. The CD wasn’t a flawed format, the crummy DAC’s in the players were, also flaws in power supplies and analog output stages. CD players today aren’t your Dad’s Sony CDP-101!


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Cheers guys! Long live the silver discs!!

Oh yeah!

Spinning them exclusively, no computer audio. What incredible resolution and musicality that can be extracted from them these days, too.

Loved the post on your CD love affair.
 
Almost all your reasons for loving CDs, are reasons I don't :)

As well I can't put in words how happy I am to never have to touch a physical thing - plastic case, plastic disc, etc - to play my music. The clutter of hundreds of CD cases is nothing but stress to me. All, long removed from their cases, filed into binders, put away and sitting in my storage unit, unlooked at and unloved. All my digital music securely stored on my NAS and Lumin L1, backed up to the cloud. And one less piece of machinery, power and cabling to worry about.

And tbh with a Tidal subscription I rarely even go to my ripped music library anymore, I just hit up Tidal and create a playlist that suits my mood and let 'er rip. I have to say that with the SQ of Tidal and MQA, I could probably do just fine without any owned music at all. Altho I recently found DSD and am greatly enjoying that. If DSD came to a streaming service, once again I'd probably almost never crack open my own library.

Just shows how we all reach our enjoyment of the music itself in different ways, and it's not always just about extracting every ounce of SQ. Which leads me to a different thread I've been intending to post elsewhere on this site....
 
To each their on, there is NO right or wrong answer for enjoying music rather it be by streaming, spinning CD's, spinning an LP, taking the time to thread a tape or getting music from a flash drive its all good and acceptable as long as it makes you happy. .
 
To each their on, there is NO right or wrong answer for enjoying music rather it be by streaming, spinning CD's, spinning an LP, taking the time to thread a tape or getting music from a flash drive its all good and acceptable as long as it makes you happy. .

Chris.......Amen! One man's garbage is another man's treasure. Listening to music is strictly a personal experience. The subjectivity of our individual listening experiences means it is highly unlikely that any of us will ever agree on all aspects of what is good or bad about our musical interests. What we enjoy listening to, and how we choose to make music happen in our environments is deeply personal. I am the only one who must be satisfied with my sound system. How I choose to use my sound system is no one's business but mine. From my room I cannot hear anyone else's system. That's exactly how I like it. Que sera, sera.
 
Agreed! That’s a great post. The CD wasn’t a flawed format, the crummy DAC’s in the players were, also flaws in power supplies and analog output stages. CD players today aren’t your Dad’s Sony CDP-101!


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True, but there are many tricks in building a proper server and CompAudiophile CAPs server aint it. Software matters and hardware matters too. How the OS is configured, how the SSD syte structure formatted and how everything is powered matters too. Such a deep rabbit hole.
 
True, but there are many tricks in building a proper server and CompAudiophile CAPs server aint it. Software matters and hardware matters too. How the OS is configured, how the SSD syte structure formatted and how everything is powered matters too. Such a deep rabbit hole.

No deeper than choice of turntable, arm, cartridge, matching of same, tonearm cable, phono preamp, cartridge loading, recording cleaning, isolation, alignment, VTF....do I need to continue?
Record playing is so old and tired. I much prefer the leading edge of current technology, not the same old rehash of the past.......
 
Well, you and I like that rabbit hole and know the stunning sound that can result from a cutting edge windows based setup. I dont complain, as the SQ bennies are worth it.

I have an average vintage LP setup and while nice, my digital is better. Cant wait to have a Pacific demo to launch me into orbit.

BTW KingR, I am still 1 pc setup and am assembling the parts for 2nd PC. Our pal says its not to be believed the level of improvement!
 
However, high res supreme quality recording edges out the same in redbook.
Nope. :)
No music recording extant remotely approaches 120db dynamic range above noise floor, 99.99% of audiophile systems would explode attempting to reproduce that, the human ear starts to distort and dynamically compress well before this...and those same ears on every single person here don't remotely hear >20k and a non-pathological >20k filter does not affect anything below 20k (though it can suppress IM entering the audio band <20k).
So why do some "Hi Rez" recordings sound so good? Because they are typically done with the utmost of care and intended for audiophiles, so not compressed, band limited, etc like many a commercial release...which has nothing to do with "Redbook".
Which is precisely why some Redbook sounds better than "Hi Rez" and vice versa. It's not the formats.

cheers,

AJ
 
Sure Norman will, but allow me first. All my music is on my custom built Windows server. DSD sounds better... if all else equal... Everything I listen to is up sampled with HQPlayer because it sounds better, a lot better. BTW I up sample everything to 24.6.
 
I can hear Norman getting ready to chim in about DSD in 1, 2,3.... :rolleyes:

Quality trumps format, but equal quality recording, then hiRez matters. Biggest weight to recording quality and some formats suit some genres better.

Me, I am biased to a high rate DSD encoding of a Tape Transfer...ahhhhh!

LoL
 
Nope. :)
No music recording extant remotely approaches 120db dynamic range above noise floor, 99.99% of audiophile systems would explode attempting to reproduce that, the human ear starts to distort and dynamically compress well before this...and those same ears on every single person here don't remotely hear >20k and a non-pathological >20k filter does not affect anything below 20k (though it can suppress IM entering the audio band <20k).
So why do some "Hi Rez" recordings sound so good? Because they are typically done with the utmost of care and intended for audiophiles, so not compressed, band limited, etc like many a commercial release...which has nothing to do with "Redbook".
Which is precisely why some Redbook sounds better than "Hi Rez" and vice versa. It's not the formats.

cheers,

AJ

High-res may also simply sound different because the ultrasonic content can introduce intermodulation distortion in the electronic chain. The sonic result may make the sound seem 'better' to some (we all know that distortions can sometimes be pleasing).
 
I am by no means a purist, but with help from Alrainbow I took my server way beyond my Vinyl. My vinyl is pretty darn good too. I use a win server 2016, Roon to HQ setup. The basic machine is a Mojo Audio unit. I use a transformer based RT Audio Ultra USB Orpheus EX DAC. I have tried 2 computers, one core, one control with Roon. Oddly it gets too much bass for me. I like one machine. Then again, I do not have the first machine on a linear PS. Nor do I have my Linear Solution switch in play now. Waiting on a new unit.

I love music from my internal storage. The NAS is good, tidal not as good as either. With the Linear Solution Switch, tidal is better than the internal storage.

I am not a CD guy as I don't have a player and I find rips are fantastic. I also find new music on tidal all the time. I like to seek out something other than what I grew up. Heck, a guy told me to play "Three 6 Mafia". Heavy but hey, its stretching my repertoire
 
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