Hegel H30 - Preamp help!

I've tried so many preamps with my H30 that I can't remember them all. As Mike said, I just haven't heard one that makes me want to spend money. The CP800 is grossly under rated. That being an obvious bias on my part. Thinking back, I remember Constellation being very good. I also recently brought my H30 to a friends house and paired it with his ARC REF5SE with great results. The P30 doesn't measure up to these other preamps in my opinion. And the volume control is enough to make you crazy!
Hi. I am in the process of buying an H30/P20 I tried yesterday with my Harbeth M30.1 and made my gear complete disappear from my listening space so neutral and full that it was an experience.
Certainly put my Luxman 590 AX to shame.
Wondering if you know the prices or what is,worth for this combo used.
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Update on 3 preamps I received for demo yesterday: the ARC Ref5SE, Luxman c700u and Ayre KX-R Twenty. extended listening session with a good friend and some fine Scotch to take advantage of very generous trial.

First up: Ref5SE. the match with my system initially had kind of a 'wow' effect. really BIG sound. you can hear the crowd, you can feel the reverb on notes, the bottom end kind of washes over you, you feel the music, big big impact. it is a really full, lush, big sound to me. on first listen, my friend said right away, "this is the best your system has ever sounded". i liked it a lot... and will continue to listen to this. BUT... I fear that the overall impact on the rest of the system is just a little too much. this pre certainly does not tame the H30 at all - it creates a really big, bold, wide, large sound. on first listen, it is really startling. would it be fatiguing on a regular basis, and with a wide range of music genres?



Next up: Luxman. the words that come to mind are silky smooth... refined... natural. No hard edges at all here. Oh so classy. just plain EASY to listen to. yes, there is more visceral impact with the ARC product, but if I owned the ARC, I worry about fatigue with those qualities. the combo with the ARC is just possibly too aggressive.


With the Luxman, I feel that beautiful music is being created in the room. I can picture sipping on a scotch, with any type of music, and just getting lost. the components disappear a lot more with this. I just hear sweet music being created in front of me. no potential headaches, no fatigue. organic... easy... just really, really classy and effortless. beautiful tone.


switch over Ayre. I know this needs more time to be at its best, but it's just not the sound I'm reaching for. clearly an outstanding product, but I don't get the emotional connection to the music that I'm looking for.


we go back to Ref5SE and Luxman one more time. my feelings are confirmed... the Ref5SE I think is just too bold a match. listening to some live Dead recordings and it is really a remarkable sound... but I think it is just too much. the Luxman may not have quite the same feeling of being at a live musical event as the Ref5SE - but it just effortlessly creates beautiful music.

still haven't heard the VAC and a couple others, but this made me REALLY want to hear the c900u from Luxman. on a side note, I don't generally get into aesthetics of the components much, but the Luxman is one beautiful piece of gear. classy look, classy sound. I loved it.

Might VAC or some other tube (or c900u?) strike a balance between the easy, loveable and beautiful nature of the Luxman and the very ALIVE sounding Ref5SE?
 
As I mentioned, I would also include the Concert Fidelity CF-080LSX2. I heard the combo at the US distributor's showroom. Incredible synergy, but it was with $95K Venture speakers. :)
 
Thanks Jim. Just not sure how easily I can track down Concert Fidelity in the Boston area...
 
I own the Luxman C-900u and it is indeed a superb piece of gear, in both sonic performance and its flawless build quality. I haven't heard it with the Hegel H30 though, or compared it to the other preamps you have tried. I run mine into the Rowland 625 power amp. I have heard the Manley 300B preamp driving the H30 and it sounds great, so you might want to try one if you have access to a Manley dealer. Good luck in your quest!
 
Some other pres to look for.
SS: T+A P3000HV, Burmester 088/077, Accuphase C3850, Audionet Pre G2/Pre I G3 + PSU
Tube: Einstein The Preamp, Octave HP 700, Accustic Arts Tube Preamp II
 
If big bold alive sound makes you feel a bit much, maybe it's because of the H30 and not the pre's? Just a thought.
 
Well, I think you are 100% right in the sense that the arc - in conjunction with rest of the system - is too much for me. for the record I am not trying to criticize arc gear at all. And I'd probably like the ref5se with a different amp.

but in my particular system the net effect is just too much, for my ears. Which I'm sure has just as much to do with the amp, speakers Etc as the preamp.

If big bold alive sound makes you feel a bit much, maybe it's because of the H30 and not the pre's? Just a thought.
 
Justin,

Thank you so much for posting your impressions above on the preamp shoot out. I know exactly what you are hearing, even though I have not paired up those exact preamps. My Conrad Johnson GAT is a wonderful match with the H30 despite it only being single ended. Another preamp that works amazingly well is the McIntosh C500T which I have heard many times at Bruce's home. I suspect that the new C1100T will also be superb. These balance out the H30 very well.
 
Well, I think you are 100% right in the sense that the arc - in conjunction with rest of the system - is too much for me. for the record I am not trying to criticize arc gear at all. And I'd probably like the ref5se with a different amp.

but in my particular system the net effect is just too much, for my ears. Which I'm sure has just as much to do with the amp, speakers Etc as the preamp.

Sorry if I sounded defending arc gear because I'm not (I don't have any arc gear, let alone ref5se). IME, pre amps are just linestages and do not mold a system's sound signature as much as amp, speaker or source. Sure, a good quiet preamp lets more details to come through, expands the soundstage width/depth, provides refinement, etc but hardly makes a system sound "bold" "alive" (that's just my opinion based on my experience and I'm very aware that I could be totally wrong). It sounds to me that, with ref5se (or even with Ayre), you are just hearing the synergy between your speakers/H30/source, whereas Luxman is just taming that synergy that is a bit much for you and I'm not sure if that's the direction you want to go, which IMO could limit the full potential of the system (most Luxman gear I heard have that mellow signature). Again, I'm not in any way questioning what you heard or didn't but just providing a different angle as to assist you in finding the sound you seek.
 
Sorry if I sounded defending arc gear because I'm not (I don't have any arc gear, let alone ref5se). IME, pre amps are just linestages and do not mold a system's sound signature as much as amp, speaker or source. Sure, a good quiet preamp lets more details to come through, expands the soundstage width/depth, provides refinement, etc but hardly makes a system sound "bold" "alive" (that's just my opinion based on my experience and I'm very aware that I could be totally wrong). It sounds to me that, with ref5se (or even with Ayre), you are just hearing the synergy between your speakers/H30/source, whereas Luxman is just taming that synergy that is a bit much for you and I'm not sure if that's the direction you want to go, which IMO could limit the full potential of the system (most Luxman gear I heard have that mellow signature). Again, I'm not in any way questioning what you heard or didn't but just providing a different angle as to assist you in finding the sound you seek.
Completely agreed with the Luxman statement.
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I totally appreciate the different take you have. You probably have a point.

but... My counter would be that I have now heard probably 10 and counting preamps with the h30, and it is remarkable to me the range of sounds and differences they all impart. So, my feeling is, they aren't just providing a straight line to my source, but each imparting their own signature to se extent - whatever that may be.

my experience has been that the ref5se was a significantly different sound than any other preamp I have tried with h30. My impression is that the arc is not just giving me pure h30 sound..






Sorry if I sounded defending arc gear because I'm not (I don't have any arc gear, let alone ref5se). IME, pre amps are just linestages and do not mold a system's sound signature as much as amp, speaker or source. Sure, a good quiet preamp lets more details to come through, expands the soundstage width/depth, provides refinement, etc but hardly makes a system sound "bold" "alive" (that's just my opinion based on my experience and I'm very aware that I could be totally wrong). It sounds to me that, with ref5se (or even with Ayre), you are just hearing the synergy between your speakers/H30/source, whereas Luxman is just taming that synergy that is a bit much for you and I'm not sure if that's the direction you want to go, which IMO could limit the full potential of the system (most Luxman gear I heard have that mellow signature). Again, I'm not in any way questioning what you heard or didn't but just providing a different angle as to assist you in finding the sound you seek.
 
Justin, if you can try the Classe, I think you might be surprised. As I've said to you before, I've tried a lot of preamps with my H30, the CP800 is still here for a reason.
 
Joe

How about something with the signature of the Cary SLP-05? Similar to the CJ sound.


Hi Jack,

I forgot about that one. The Cary SLP-05 with the H30 was one of the best combos that Bruce and I heard. I could take either the CJ or Cary.
 
Hi Jack,

I forgot about that one. The Cary SLP-05 with the H30 was one of the best combos that Bruce and I heard. I could take either the CJ or Cary.
Joe. What is the price for the Cary second hand?
I am just following your advice. All I have is the Hegel P20.
So since I have no chance to try the Cary in my system . Whatever I buy at the end would be based on you guys,advice.
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The seem to run around 6k used.
Jack thanks a lot.
Do you think it could be a happy match for a long time? . I don't have much $ to try everything. That's why I come to the forum for,advice.
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Jack thanks a lot.
Do you think it could be a happy match for a long time? . I don't have much $ to try everything. That's why I come to the forum for,advice.
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I've owned the SLP-05. Even rolled some pretty good tubes in it. I'll be the conflicting vote. I don't think this would be a good match. VAC was the best preamp I tried with my H30.
 
I've owned the SLP-05. Even rolled some pretty good tubes in it. I'll be the conflicting vote. I don't think this would be a good match. VAC was the best preamp I tried with my H30.
What model?
I am trying to get away from heat and multiple boxes that what the Cary was a mix bag for me.
Honestly I am enjoying the P20 Hegel.
I can just imagine an step up.
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