Handmade Passive Preamplifier

Looks great. Without a remote, it becomes difficult for practical purpose, especially for folks who are streaming digital from the comfort of their listening chair :)


I am big fan of Chapman's autofomer. It really brings out the weakness/greatness of your frontend.
 
Thank you so much! I think the 64 steps one you bought should be electronic switches with relays, but here we use mechanical switch for concrete volume control experience which is great for HiFi lovers. In fact, you may start trying to build your second passive preamp without any power supply. The attenuator and transformer I bought is from DesignbyMr.K, which also offers the whole kit of passive premaplifier from eBay, has no any power sources applied in the design. As there is no any active components, power lines or supply nor wall plugs needed, no noise and distortion added to the device even up to 10X gain option. If you're looking for a no power passive preamp option, I would recommend DesignbyMr.K to you.

Where did you source the chassis from? It looks identical to Aavik.


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Another question I have. How do you select between the different inputs or do you manual switch the cables? I could be missing it but I only see a volume control on the unit. Am I missing something?
 
Looks great. Without a remote, it becomes difficult for practical purpose, especially for folks who are streaming digital from the comfort of their listening chair :)


I am big fan of Chapman's autofomer. It really brings out the weakness/greatness of your frontend.

Depends on your preference. The feeling is concrete and great during tuning for this 59 steps mechanical volume control which I really enjoy it.
 
Another question I have. How do you select between the different inputs or do you manual switch the cables? I could be missing it but I only see a volume control on the unit. Am I missing something?

I switch the RCA for different input selections.
 
I only used one input on my Line Drive ( cd player ) so I bypassed the selector switch. My passive would have been the same as your "X1" setting. We controlled the sound by using putty to dampen the inside of the chassis. Again, very nice work.
 
So in essence it is simply a volume control. That is cool. Gives you what you need.

I have four sources hooked to my Hattor. Three use XLR and one RCA. Two of these I use on a daily basis so having input switching is fairly important to me on my passive pre.
 
In fact, hope to know whether there are anymore similar types of passive preamp. Wanna try and improve my work.

Does anyone know?:skeptical::skeptical:

Peter Daniel of Audiosector used to produce the AudioZone Pre-T1 which featured Stevens & Billington xfmers, arguably the best of their kind. Peter has an eye for form as well as function and his products all sound wonderful. There is no free lunch with these types of devices as impedance changes with each volume step and can wreak havoc with capacitive cables and accompanying gear with high output/low input impedances.
 

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I only used one input on my Line Drive ( cd player ) so I bypassed the selector switch. My passive would have been the same as your "X1" setting. We controlled the sound by using putty to dampen the inside of the chassis. Again, very nice work.

Thanks for your appreciation! I got four gain options here, from 1X up to 10X(+20dB) for sound quality controlling. Here you see only RCA switching is available for gain selections, however I could actually make a selector switch. It definitely could be a way more than that! But the sound, still, available from accurate positioning to sweet to super thick by selecting 1X, 3X, 5X and 10X gain.
 
So in essence it is simply a volume control. That is cool. Gives you what you need.

I have four sources hooked to my Hattor. Three use XLR and one RCA. Two of these I use on a daily basis so having input switching is fairly important to me on my passive pre.

This is a passive preamplifier but not a volume control.....:weird:

A 59 steps autotransformer is used for voltage amplifying. Magnetic force is induced throughout this C Core transformer, with 1X, 3X, 5X and 10X gain options, sound qualities could vary from sweet to thick bass to super thick...You could see the gain options plugs on the back panel from the image. There is no need to use any power sources, meaning no active components or power line/supplies or wall plug are used, so no noise and distortion will be added to the passive preamp. Plus, a 59 steps mechanical volume switch is used(really not an electronic one!) which makes me feel concrete and great during tuning!
 
Peter Daniel of Audiosector used to produce the AudioZone Pre-T1 which featured Stevens & Billington xfmers, arguably the best of their kind. Peter has an eye for form as well as function and his products all sound wonderful. There is no free lunch with these types of devices as impedance changes with each volume step and can wreak havoc with capacitive cables and accompanying gear with high output/low input impedances.

Does it have any gain selections? It seems to have input selections and volume control only, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Since you guys may not have a fully understanding about this passive preamp work, just feel free to discuss with me about it, especially for its core part (the attenuator and transformer) used here:woot:
 
Since you guys may not have a fully understanding about this passive preamp work, just feel free to discuss with me about it, especially for its core part (the attenuator and transformer) used here:woot:

I know exactly what it is, I was a Sonic Euphoria PLC beta tester for Jeff Hagler of Sound Values back in the mid 90s before he ever brought it to market. I will say it again, PLCs are not a free lunch they will impact frequency response based on the 'gain' setting which is a misnomer since they are really nothing more than an attenuator. Here's a pic of the old girl, look familiar? (balanced vers)
 

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I know exactly what it is, I was a Sonic Euphoria PLC beta tester for Jeff Hagler of Sound Values back in the mid 90s before he ever brought it to market. I will say it again, PLCs are not a free lunch they will impact frequency response based on the 'gain' setting which is a misnomer since they are really nothing more than an attenuator. Here's a pic of the old girl, look familiar? (balanced vers)

Yes and that's a very similar design to mine! Yours also got the gain and volume selections right? But I think it should be only up to 24 steps for both mechanical volume control and transformer right?:weird:The only brand I know that could reach to more steps is this 59 steps one from designbymrk. I don't mean that 64 steps one as it is designed as an electronic switch but not a mechanical one.

Has anybody checked out this Hong Kong brand website? I really recommend its design and that's why I used it in my work.
 
I of course understand what a passive pre-amp is, I currently use one and have had others. However, when you state that it adds gain, guess what, it is no longer a passive pre-amp. Any kind of gain stage makes it into a standard active pre-amp and no longer a passive. If you are using it without gain you are using it passive.

To quote Arek Kallas, one of the true expert designers in the field, offering some of the best passive pre-amps and attenuators in the world, when you add a gain stage, "In fact it will be an active preamp".

Further more, to add gain does require some type of power. It can't add gain (amplification) without it. So in passive mode it is basically an attenuator and to add gain requires some kind of power (it cannot get louder without a power source). Therefore what is being referred to as gain is in fact more attenuation. With a pure passive, at no attenuation the full input signal is being passed to the amplifier, attenuation actually cuts this signal back to control the volume you hear. Usually with some type of resistors put in line. Less volume equates to larger attenuation resistors. The volume control actually moves different resistors in and out of line with the source signal.

To summarize, you cannot add gain (amplification) without power and adding true gain in fact changes the pre-amp to an active pre-amp, no longer a passive. This has been fully described to me by two of the foremost experts in the field; Arek Kallas, owner of Hattor Audio and Khozma Acoustic and my personal friend EJ Sarmento, owner of Wyred 4 Sound (designer and builder of the world renowned STP-SE Stage 2), SST, Carver and others.
 
I thought that the schematic in post #1 looked strange.
It seems that the unit is not a passive pre-amp, that is an input selector and volume control. But rather it's a euphoric effects generator.
 
Now I don't have any problems with the unit, it looks great!
The problem I have is calling it a pre-amp.

Again, I agree. It looks like a nice unit but it certainly is not a passive pre-amp.

"successfully amplifying and tuning sound quality", and "with 1X, 3X, 5X and 10X gain options", I also have an issue with this, it cannot amplify the sound without a power source. Passive pre-amps attenuate the sound by putting various resistors in the signal path. Adding "gain" amplifies the signal and this requires a power source, and also would make it not be a passive pre-amp. Maybe he is confusing a lesser amount of attenuation as being gain?

"This is a passive preamplifier but not a volume control", excuse me.... to be a passive pre-amp it has to be a volume control... that is exactly what attenuation does.

"Plus, a 59 steps mechanical volume switch is used", ok, so now I am very confused, not a volume control and a couple sentences later 59 step mechanical volume switch is used??? Huh?

"Since you guys may not have a fully understanding about this passive preamp work, just feel free to discuss with me about it", ahhh yea, I think we do.
 
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