Gryphon News

It remains to be seen what happens.

But my guestimate is that the decision was made in hubris: Taking over at a stage where others have put in years of work, and overestimating the company’s own capabilities due to assigning the good situation mainly to brand strength. And then things start to go south from there.

Someone needs to do the legwork [emoji3].


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This is very different from Luxman in my opinion. Luxman is a much larger company with a more diverse product line from entry level to high end. Gryphon is small and uber-high end to begin with. Their starting stereo amplifier is $23k and speaker $30k (a monitor).

I wish them luck. I heard the $150k(?) Trident at the distributors a few months ago - it was fine but I didn't feel special for its price point. And at that price point it needs to blow people away. My good friend has a pair of Pendragons (a completely different and now discontinued concept) that hopefully will finally be ready to hear end of this year in his reconstructed house.

At their core is an electronics company so its an interesting decision they've made.
 
KeithR said:
This is very different from Luxman in my opinion. Luxman is a much larger company with a more diverse product line from entry level to high end. Gryphon is small and uber-high end to begin with. Their starting stereo amplifier is $23k and speaker $30k (a monitor).

I wish them luck. I heard the $150k(?) Trident at the distributors a few months ago - it was fine but I didn't feel special for its price point. And at that price point it needs to blow people away. My good friend has a pair of Pendragons (a completely different and now discontinued concept) that hopefully will finally be ready to hear end of this year in his reconstructed house.

At their core is an electronics company so its an interesting decision they've made.
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My comment on Luxman was not meant to imply that I expected Gryphon to cut prices when bringing their NA distribution in house - only that pricing could go either way with such a move depending on the company and their objectives. Luxman was trying to reduce expenses to improve their price competitiveness in a lower market segment. Gryphon apparently wants to compel more emphasis on their speaker line in NA.
 
Anyone know if Krell still makes speakers? I remember back in the 90's they came out with a speaker line and the scenario of trying to force them on dealers sounds familiar.
 
blackdog said:
For about a year, then the prices started to creep up. I highly doubt Gryphon will have the volume to be able to bring prices down.
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Prices will be going down....but not by a lot. This comes directly from a dealer that's involved. Gryphon wants the dealer network to be VERY small. Limited to half a dozen or so in USA
 
Billion$Baby said:
Prices will be going down....but not by a lot. This comes directly from a dealer that's involved. Gryphon wants the dealer network to be VERY small. Limited to half a dozen or so in USA
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Guess they want their sales to be very small also ...

George
 
I understand some went up a little and some went down a little. Perhaps someone can confirm the price of the Diablo 300 for example. It was $16K.

George - I agree. It will be interesting to see if dealers who were “all in, lock, stock and barrel”, with Gryphon Speakers, Gryphon racks, multiple lines of Gryphon cables, etc. stay on.

Guys like:

Gryphon Audio System - Joseph Cali Systems Design Inc.
 
Mike said:
I understand some went up a little and some went down a little. Perhaps someone can confirm the price of the Diablo 300 for example. It was $16K.

George - I agree.
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I heard the Diablo 300 is now retail $16,900 without modules.
 
Does not sound like a price reduction to me...


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Mike said:
I understand some went up a little and some went down a little. Perhaps someone can confirm the price of the Diablo 300 for example. It was $16K.

George - I agree. It will be interesting to see if dealers who were “all in, lock, stock and barrel”, with Gryphon Speakers, Gryphon racks, multiple lines of Gryphon cables, etc. stay on.

Guys like:

Gryphon Audio System - Joseph Cali Systems Design Inc.
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I've known Joe since the Chris Hansen /Cello days--he's a shrewd operator I'm sure he'll come out smelling of Roses:P!

As an aside --I wonder if Flemming was still at the helm this "radical" move would have seen the light of day with such a full blast changeout.

I met Flemming at a Demo in the early 90's we talked Big Game fishing--he was a keen Fisherman--I promised to take him out to hunt the Black Marlin off the Continental Shelf from where I live.

Did his eyes light up:D--he indeed was a gentleman!

He struck me an honest fellow of the old school and one that would gather all parties to the table and sort out solutions in a timely and subjective fashion.

From what I know of Rune I'm also surprised this seemingly "Bull at a Gate" decision maybe not entirely his thinking either.


Sorry to hear you are no longer Gryphon Mike-- you have establish the reputation

Interested to see who catches the loose reins on the apparently runaway horse--and can run with it :|!

Bruce
 
I hope you will find a new way to work with Gryphon. If anything, having an official Gryphon subsidiary should be a bonus.

There is nothing quite like the Mephisto power amp on the market. I had friends changing from Solution and Dagostino to Mephisto. I gave 5 friends owning Mephisto now, using them to drive anything from Magico M-Pro to Wilson Alexx.
 
Elberoth said:
There is nothing quite like the Mephisto power amp on the market. I had friends changing from Solution and Dagostino to Mephisto. I gave 5 friends owning Mephisto now, using them to drive anything from Magico M-Pro to Wilson Alexx.
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just wondering why you dont run a mephisto in your system yourself??
 
u-sound said:
just wondering why you dont run a mephisto in your system yourself??
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I cannot afford one at the moment. My biz has been closed due to covid for the past 13 months and will probably stay closed till 2022. I think I do not have to explain the financial consequences to my family.
 
Elberoth said:
I cannot afford one at the moment. My biz has been closed due to covid for the past 13 months and will probably stay closed till 2022. I think I do not have to explain the financial consequences to my family.
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Adam, I have enjoyed your posts for several years now. Best wishes to you and your family on coming out of this Covid nightmare as soon as possible.
 
Elberoth said:
I hope you will find a new way to work with Gryphon. If anything, having an official Gryphon subsidiary should be a bonus.

There is nothing quite like the Mephisto power amp on the market. I had friends changing from Solution and Dagostino to Mephisto. I gave 5 friends owning Mephisto now, using them to drive anything from Magico M-Pro to Wilson Alexx.
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Our business model of finding the best in all categories won’t work.

They will probably have a small group of “all-in” dedicated dealers and I wish them luck. I’m sure Gryphon speakers, cables and racks are good, but nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever called and asked me about them.

As for the electronics, we will have access to a large selection of inventory for quite some time from the former distributor. We sold three Diablo 300’s and three Essence amps in the past week alone. Plenty of additional inventory to last us quite some time and wrap up any lingering sales. The TAS Antilleon Evo review is already driving interest our way. Had two calls yesterday.

I’m not sure what I will do to replace Gryphon, if anything at all. I’m thinking of taking a chance with a relatively unknown brand with tremendous product. We shall see.

For now, we are getting through tax season and seeing what’s left when the dust settles.
 
I think it is the same everywhere - electronics, esp. amps is what flies out of the shelves. Speakers, cables, racks - not so much (if at all).

Honestly, I'm not getting this push towards - speakers, cables and racks. I still remember when Krell introduced speakers, which ruined their relations with many speaker manufacturers. I'm pretty sure the net result was negative for the company. Same may happen to Gryphon.
 
Elberoth said:
I think it is the same everywhere - electronics, esp. amps is what flies out of the shelves. Speakers, cables, racks - not so much (if at all).

Honestly, I'm not getting this push towards - speakers, cables and racks. I still remember when Krell introduced speakers, which ruined their relations with many speaker manufacturers. I'm pretty sure the net result was negative for the company. Same may happen to Gryphon.
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There’s some fabulous tier 1 & 2 brands like Soulution, AudioNet, Goldmund, etc. I’m going to just see what happens. Although a 725/711 combo remains dancing in my head. [emoji3]


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None of the brands you have mentioned, matches in my experience Gryphon electronics.

One of my friends - Magico M-Pro owner - has just bought the Mephisto to replace his Soulution 511 monos. He tried 701 monos, but the Mephisto was much better. He still has the Soulution 7-series preamp.
 
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