AJ Soundfield
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Yep, that's why I make both passive and active with DSP. Horses for courses.
Gayle Sanders Returns with Launch of New Company at AXPONA
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AJ Soundfield
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Well, I work full time and make/sell speakers in my spare time, to those who wish to buy them. You call them audiophiles, they define themselves however they see fit.
You project a lot. Quite popular these days. You feel personally denigrated when I post generalizations. Interesting.
If that were true, then that would confirm the masochist part wouldn't it? Do you buy from folks who denigrate you?
If so, what do you call it?
I don't love inanimate objects, like audiophiles do.
I do like class d amps for their clean green power and low weight. Makes life easier for me. Maybe if I was a bigot I'd hate them. YMMV.
If your mirror says so I suppose. That or good ol' purely subjectivist delusion raring its head again.
AJ Soundfield
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Btw, if one hasn't noticed, there will probably be a lot more DSP type speakers like these Gayle Sanders models coming in the future.
I know, the horror, the horror...for some.
I know, the horror, the horror...for some.
audio.bill
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Good point which nobody can dispute, and such products make perfect sense for the majority of the market who don't have any interest in analog source reproduction.
AJ Soundfield
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Well, truth is Bill, you can still listen to every single LP, tape, etc on these speakers. The soundwaves being emitted, all analog for the ears to hear them.
cheers,
AJ
p.s. I have LPs that don't sound "natively" perfect, either a tinge too bright, too dull, a bit thin or bassy, etc, etc..but do sound much better, to me, with the touch of a button. YMMV.
mep
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Great. Call them whatever they want to call themselves. People who are shopping for speakers in the price ranges you are selling at aren't looking at big box stores as an alternative. I'm pretty sure you are trying to sell into the audiophile market.
You project a lot. Quite popular these days. You feel personally denigrated when I post generalizations. Interesting.
If that were true, then that would confirm the masochist part wouldn't it? Do you buy from folks who denigrate you?
If so, what do you call it?
I'm not projecting anything, I'm just telling the truth about the things you constantly say about audiophiles. DBTs to prove people are idiots just like Ethan. And no, I don't feel personally denigrated because I don't take you any more serious than I take Ethan.
I don't love inanimate objects, like audiophiles do.
I do like class d amps for their clean green power and low weight. Makes life easier for me. Maybe if I was a bigot I'd hate them. YMMV.
Again, you just can't resist. You are making my point in your own words about how you feel about audiophiles. Audiophiles love inanimate objects and we are bigots according to your words.
If your mirror says so I suppose. That or good ol' purely subjectivist delusion raring its head again.
Not my mirror. You already said you are his evil twin. So one more insult, we are delusional too. I don't know who you think the target audience is for your speakers, but I'm pretty sure you have insulted the very people who you hope to sell your wares to. Is there another speaker company that posts on audiophile forums and constantly makes fun of audiophiles? I don't think it's a good business model, but that's probably why you have a day job.
AJ Soundfield
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audio.bill
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AJ - Obviously you can still play an analog source on speakers which use DSP, however not while maintaining the original analog signal without digital conversions. This hobby involves trade-offs and we often have to select those which we prefer. Many analog devotees (or masochistic luddites according to some) prefer to keep their signal in its purest form without digital conversion and processing, while others enjoy having the ability to adjust sonic parameters which DSP provides. That's all from me on this, let's all just enjoy the music!
AJ Soundfield
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Absolutely.
Now the choices are increasing in the active/dsp domain. Still a minuscule few vs "traditional" tech in the audiophile market, but choice is good.
For some.
The DSP is used to align by frequency and also to time align the waves. The idea is that if the wavefront coming from the speaker (actually measured 4' from speaker) is frequency- and time-aligned, the room will have a much lesser effect. So it is more than just equalizing for bass at a particular listening position. Very interesting, and yes I believe it is similar to Legacy approach, though adding proprietary algorithms to interface with Eikon speakers... each driver has its own amp and can be adjusted by the system.
Funny how quickly these threads resort to name calling and snarky comments.
Whichever path one takes to get to their audio nirvana is their choice. Remember folks it's about the music and enjoyment.
Who am I to tell someone that their choices aren't good?
I would love to at least hear his latest creation as I am an admirer of his engineering even though I probably could never afford it.
After Montaldo's explanation I see the reason for what I consider high cost and it sounds reasonable to me.
Whichever path one takes to get to their audio nirvana is their choice. Remember folks it's about the music and enjoyment.
Who am I to tell someone that their choices aren't good?
I would love to at least hear his latest creation as I am an admirer of his engineering even though I probably could never afford it.
After Montaldo's explanation I see the reason for what I consider high cost and it sounds reasonable to me.
sleepysurf
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Personally, I have "drunk the Kool-Aid" with regard to DSP Room Correction (at least for bass). My current ML Expression 13A's (and ML BalancedForce 210 subs) use it for bass EQ, and it makes a substantial difference. There are certainly "tradeoffs" when going digital, but overall, I think the pros outweigh the cons. It will be interesting to see how this technology evolves for use as crossover and time alignment in full range speakers, besides actual room EQ.
I too am a believer in DSP. Bought a DSpeaker Dual Core 2.0 and it works very well.
My room had terrible standing wave issues in the upper bass region.
Rather than goof around with positioning absorption panels, bass traps etc I decided to pony up after reading glowing reviews and I certainly don't regret it.
The 2.0 is a high quality DAC, pre-amp, parametric equalizer (heresy I know), and bass management system in one small box. It tamed the room. Now I can hear things in the treble region that were masked before for an overall sound that went from barely tolerable to excellent.
My room had terrible standing wave issues in the upper bass region.
Rather than goof around with positioning absorption panels, bass traps etc I decided to pony up after reading glowing reviews and I certainly don't regret it.
The 2.0 is a high quality DAC, pre-amp, parametric equalizer (heresy I know), and bass management system in one small box. It tamed the room. Now I can hear things in the treble region that were masked before for an overall sound that went from barely tolerable to excellent.
Peter Breuninger
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Terry told me about this thread. If the video has been posted I apologize for the double post. This was the best product intro I've ever heard at a show. They had two rooms. The corner room was where I shot this video. I had interrupted a meeting and did not want to disrupt Gayle any more than possible so I did not control the very dark lighting by opening the curtains. It's the sound in the video that matters. Kemper Holt talks about the technology in Reviewers View (which I'm currently editing).
I have vast experience with these types of systems. We have listened to and shot many videos of Grimm Audio and KII Audio all over the world. This new speaker is exceptional. Take a listen and judge for yourself, sorry about the lighting.
I have vast experience with these types of systems. We have listened to and shot many videos of Grimm Audio and KII Audio all over the world. This new speaker is exceptional. Take a listen and judge for yourself, sorry about the lighting.
brad225
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Was that Cecile McLorin Salvant singing? If not could you tell me who it was and the piece of music?
Thanks
sleepysurf
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Malia & Boris Blank Celestial Echo. Shazam is your friend!
Personally, I didn't care for most of the synthesizer/electronica tracks they demo'd.
brad225
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Thanks Alan after I posted that I realized I could just use Shazam.
When I listen to it on my phone I realize that all of the echo, which happens to be the name of the song, Was part of the song and not dynamics in the room that was in the video. I decided it probably was not going to be my cup of tea.
When I listen to it on my phone I realize that all of the echo, which happens to be the name of the song, Was part of the song and not dynamics in the room that was in the video. I decided it probably was not going to be my cup of tea.
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I am sorry if I missed some if this thread, but I did hear the New Gayle Sanders system at Axpona in both rooms and at least three times. I even heard it at the “preferred” demo for us attendees who paid the extra cash for the VIP tickets. They were forgettable.
what was .....the VIP's or the speakers ?
