From Sonus faber to Magico

Gene said:
I suppose the Gauder Akustik Berlina RC 9 with its 12th order crossover configuration and 50db slope would also be "compromised" by Accuphase Class A.
On the contrary. To quote the Absolute Sound...

" The Class A Accuphase A-70 proved to be as powerful sounding as the Class AB amplifiers within its power envelope. This 60Wpc (nominal) stereo amplifier has a minimum of 3dB headroom, meaning it will produce 120Wpc into an 8-ohm load when called for. Additionally, the amplifier doubles its output as the load is halved. The Berlina RC 9s have 4-ohm (nominal) impedance (with an uncalibrated measurement I took of around just below 3 ohms at the lowest point). One additional feature of the A-70 is the ability to accurately track real-time power output on its display. With this amplifier in the system, I witnessed a local reviewer, who gave a listen during the manufacturer’s visit, push the amplifier to well over 400+ watt peaks during some musical passages. Dr. Gauder mentioned the speakers can take that kind of peak power (up to 580 watts to be exact) without damaging the drivers. Needless to say, the amplifier packs a lot more power than expected. The sound produced with this amp in the system was bolder, bigger, and slightly fuller. There was less high-frequency emphasis and a warmer midrange. The upper midrange remained intact but the overall presentation was slightly burnished. Overall, the sound was favorable, powerful, and very enjoyable."
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...a-rc-9/?page=3

Thanks for your advise but I think I'll just stick with what was told to me by Magico.
... and keep my "compromised" A-75 to drive them with "no problem".
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Sure, both admit its a compromise. Accuphase is best within its Class A scope just as any other Class A amplifier before going into Class AB.

I think you should bring your amp when you demo the big Magicos to confirm on your own. You might also reach out to PeterA on this forum who owns Class A amplifiers w/ various Magicos over the years.

Best of luck!
 
I've owned the A-75 and it is amazingly ballsy and would certainly drive the Magicos.

It ended up not being for me, but not because of power. I loved the A36's sound and it didn't have enough umph. So I was hoping the A-75 would fit the bill - it didn't. In retrospect, I should have bought 2 A36 and ran them mono. But by that time I had a falling out with the USA rep and decided I would never buy anything he ever rep'd again. Too many ..... well lets just say we didn't have the same moral attitude.


Gene said:
I suppose the Gauder Akustik Berlina RC 9 with its 12th order crossover configuration and 50db slope would also be "compromised" by Accuphase Class A.
On the contrary. To quote the Absolute Sound...

" The Class A Accuphase A-70 proved to be as powerful sounding as the Class AB amplifiers within its power envelope. This 60Wpc (nominal) stereo amplifier has a minimum of 3dB headroom, meaning it will produce 120Wpc into an 8-ohm load when called for. Additionally, the amplifier doubles its output as the load is halved. The Berlina RC 9s have 4-ohm (nominal) impedance (with an uncalibrated measurement I took of around just below 3 ohms at the lowest point). One additional feature of the A-70 is the ability to accurately track real-time power output on its display. With this amplifier in the system, I witnessed a local reviewer, who gave a listen during the manufacturer’s visit, push the amplifier to well over 400+ watt peaks during some musical passages. Dr. Gauder mentioned the speakers can take that kind of peak power (up to 580 watts to be exact) without damaging the drivers. Needless to say, the amplifier packs a lot more power than expected. The sound produced with this amp in the system was bolder, bigger, and slightly fuller. There was less high-frequency emphasis and a warmer midrange. The upper midrange remained intact but the overall presentation was slightly burnished. Overall, the sound was favorable, powerful, and very enjoyable."
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...a-rc-9/?page=3

Thanks for your advise but I think I'll just stick with what was told to me by Magico.
... and keep my "compromised" A-75 to drive them with "no problem".
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I thought it would be worthwhile to pass along to anyone else considering powering any Magico speaker with Accuphase Class A amplification, a portion of an e-mail I received from Magico today...

" Thanks for providing images of your listening room and system setup. This is very helpful and I sense the S7’s on MPOD’s will install in a similar position as the Stradivari’s with a couple of tweaks which I will provide at the right time. Given your room space and listening habits the Accuphase A-75 will work perfectly with the S7’s or any other Magico loudspeaker and have no compatibility issues with the Magico Elliptical Symmetry Crossover topology.
I contacted Arturo Manzano at AXISS Distribution regarding the pairing of the A-75 and S7 and he confirmed the same. Arturo stated that the A-75 was a powerhouse amplifier and is stable driving a 1-ohm load with 480-watts of power output. Enough said."

So given my listening habits (moderate volume) and room size (25x15x8), I think that just about lays to rest any concern I might have had.
 
Its always a fine line between trusting the words of the experienced distributor and weighing them against their self interest of moving products they represent.
 
Lol, Gene... did you edit your post???

I completely understand your position and excitement, Im eager to hear what you think after receivig the S7’s
 
Yeah.. I thought my original post took your advise a bit too personal. I agree 100% with your admonishment for anyone in a buying mode (like me) to keep those rose colored glasses and blinders off and keep your eyes up for potential alterior motives when dealing with reps and sales people. I don't want to be cynical and suspicious, but you have to keep your feet on the ground and by all means collect as much info as you can before you let go of the dough.

I'm sure Ill have plenty to say when the time comes. Should be fun, so stay tuned.
 
Sorry if I came across as a bit harsh about reps and sales people. I really hate to be cynical and mistrustful. I can say for a fact that what i experienced today at Hanson AV in Cinncinnati, OH was just the opposite of high pressure and there certainly were no back room maneuverings and whisperings when I came for a visit to demo the beautiful blue m-cast S7 that they had on display. A finer group of devoted audiophile's you would ever want to meet, and deal with, than the nice people I met today and as i walked out to my car after almost 8 hours having just experienced the best purchasing experience of my life, i realized that that i had just made one of the best decisions of my long audiophile life and will in about 8 week have my pair (in red m-coat) sitting in my listening room.
I am very happy not only about the spectacular listening session and the purchase, but more so about making freinds with really nice people.
 
Congrats, great choice.

Looking forward to hear your impressions when you have them in your own system


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Congratulations Gene , with your new S7

It must be really exciting and will be a long waiting time :)
 
No, didn't see any paint samples. Not sure if the had them. I was having such a great time I forgot to ask.
I had enough examples from various pic's presented here (thanks all) and elsewhere to settle on the color before I had the demo.

The scuff marks you see have since been touched up. You barely notice them.
Didn't ask about the price, but I think someone's going to get a real good deal.
 
FYI.. The equipment I demoed the S7 with was nothing short of reference quality. The amps were Boulder 1160 Class A mono's, Boulder 1110 Pre-amp,
Clearaudio Innovation Wood turntable with a Universal arm and Goldfinger cartridge. A full loom of Nordost ODIN cables. Not sure of the PC's (probably Nordost ) or rack system but
it had some carbon fiber elements to it and there was a streaming server (didn't catch the brand) w/wireless controller...Whew!

No wonder I was blown away!
 
brodricj said:
Have you heard M3?
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Yes.. they had a pair in there too. If you want my opinion I'd say it was a real close toss-up. You could tell the M3 was slightly more transparent due no doubt
to the more advanced enclosure design. On the other hand the S7 had the upper hand when it came to the lower frequencies which, to me,
was just a bit more satisfying. They had a pair of JL Gotham subs in the room, but they weren't used. I'm pretty sure that if they had been used with the M3, it
would have been game over for the S7.
 
Gene
Congratulations on your S7
They compared very well to the M project , when I heard both

The bass is so good , I think Mike mentioned this.

Would not change mine for the M3
 
Gene said:
Yes.. they had a pair in there too. If you want my opinion I'd say it was a real close toss-up. You could tell the M3 was slightly more transparent due no doubt
to the more advanced enclosure design. On the other hand the S7 had the upper hand when it came to the lower frequencies which, to me,
was just a bit more satisfying. They had a pair of JL Gotham subs in the room, but they weren't used. I'm pretty sure that if they had been used with the M3, it
would have been game over for the S7.
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Congrats on the S7 , as to the A-75 , I'm also a big accuphase fan, for years now, pretty familiar with the line and build quality , IMO an A75 is not enuff power to do justice to S7's, it will take 250-300 watts @8 ohm to wake up and control a pr of S7's ...


Regards ...
 
a.wayne said:
Congrats on the S7 , as to the A-75 , I'm also a big accuphase fan, for years now, pretty familiar with the line and build quality , IMO an A75 is not enuff power to do justice to S7's, it will take 250-300 watts @8 ohm to wake up and control a pr of S7's ...


Regards ...
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Sure, power is a good thing in some cases and while I appreciate your thoughts i will go with the opinion stated, in no uncertain terms, by Magico's Peter Mackay in an earlier post. As far as I'm concerned this particular issue has been laid to rest. Enough said.
 
" Good point. KeithR offered similar and I thought well considered advice – only to have it kicked back in his face."


Continuing to argue the facts with other members who apparently have trouble accepting the truth about a non-existent issue is both frustrating and pointless.
 
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