For the Frugal Audio Hobbyist...I Wonder If 80's to 2000 Era Electronics Represent the Best Value?

I have head of the GRAZ ribbons, and of Apogee Acoustics who have repair services. I always thought that it was really cool there was an avenue for servicing these speakers. Unfortunately my system is no longer set up to run this kind of speaker, so I am just going to let that dream be unfulfilled.

However this last December I bought a pair of high efficiency open baffle speakers using Hawthorne Audio drivers. I figured this was a viable way to experiment with a dipole sound and still be able to use low power tube amps. So far I am finding the dipole presentation to be very alluring, and perhaps the absence of the box has its merits also. The crossover networks and tonal balance of the drivers is a bit softer and more relaxed than I typically like. I am toying with the idea of finding an active crossover and tri-amping the whole set up. Right now it is just a thought in the back of my mind, but perhaps I can get to that later in the year.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
Hi Mr. Pig, I've enjoyed your posts. I understand where you are coming from. If you are considering vintage gear that has great value. Take a look at Adcom. Some of Nelson Pass' finest efforts. Funny, the amp models are GFA-whatever. GFA stands for Great F%$*&ing Amp. That's no joke.
 
Hi Mr. Pig, I've enjoyed your posts. I understand where you are coming from. If you are considering vintage gear that has great value. Take a look at Adcom. Some of Nelson Pass' finest efforts. Funny, the amp models are GFA-whatever. GFA stands for Great F%$*&ing Amp. That's no joke.

One thing I should mention is that I spent quite a few years hanging out on another audio board that is the largest vintage site there is, and their definition of what vintage gear is predates my personal definition. My interest in gear really didn't match up with theirs, but the site I called home before them A.A. had turned into a wild west kind of place that was the antithesis of what it was intended to be. So that was my next best choice.

My personal interest is the best possible audio playback I can get for my middle class funds. When raising piglets and putting a wife through college, well the audio kitty is a bit bare. So I did shop the used market reverently, but with an interest in gear that is say 5 years old or newer. But the reality is that I have bumped into my glass ceiling, owning a system that is as good as my discretionary funds will allow. By most measures it is a good quality system capable of satisfying musical playback and refined enough to determine the differences between audio minutia. So the question is where do you go from here?

For the fun of it, and my personal education, I decided to look at some of those obscure and forgotten pieces from the 80's to 2000's. Now I am a pig of the 80's, being 47 years old, and this era is when audio was new and alive to me. I personally think that the US high end scene took off in the 80's, and was still relatively affordable to the average hobbyist. So I am buying a few pieces that are shiny and catch my attention, especially if the price is attractive. The N.E.W. DCA 33 being one such piece. It allows me to set a bench mark of what was possible in the 80's and 90's, and make an honest evaluation of what I hear out of the kinds of current production gear I can afford. There are some wonderful systems here in the Shark Tank that are way way past my humble means, but that is the cool thing about audio...there is a continuum with something for everyone. So for a diversion, I want to put together an 80's to 2000 era secondary system, and see what can be done.

My time at the vintage site was not a waste by any means, nor do I ever intend to speak badly of them. I still spend a lot of time there, as the traffic keeps things hopping. If it wasn't for my time there I would never have considered looking for and rescuing my Thorens TD 124. Which I find to be a wonderful table, and forced me to reevaluate many aspects of analog playback that I felt were set in stone. In many ways I think the table is every bit the peer of my Galibier Audio Serac, and I regularly interchange the two in my system. So old pigs can learn new tricks!

Never owned any of the Adcom GFA series, but I hear the new 4 digit model number ones are quite promising. Perhaps one day I will get to listen to them. I live in rural Eastern Washington, and while we have wonderful wines...the audio scene is nonexistent. I have spent so many years living with SET amplification that my system is not really accomodating to many traditional amps. With the Hawthorne Trio speakers here I have a bit of flexibility now that I did not have before. Thanks for the story behind the Adcom model designation!

Regards
Mister Pig
 
Now I would love a couple of Classe DR3 or any of the original series from Dave Reich. I think they would be worth re-capping and getting a clean bill of health for.


Recently I got to spend some time with the Liberty Audio B2B-100 amplifier, and its a sweetie. This is a factory direct line from Peter Noerbeck of PBN Audio. For roughly $2500 you get a lot of amplifier here. Voicing is a bit dark and meaty, but with the appropriate speakers its a gem.

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Regards
Mister Pig
 
Yamaha and Onkyo power amplifiers from yesteryear, with large power meters; remember those? :cool:

Pioneer Elites too. ...Mosfet, FET, Bipolar, Darlington transistors. ...Wide frequency band, stable down to 2Ω, low THD+Noise, high S/N ratio, ...
 
Yamaha and Onkyo power amplifiers from yesteryear, with large power meters; remember those? :cool:

Pioneer Elites too. ...Mosfet, FET, Bipolar, Darlington transistors. ...Wide frequency band, stable down to 2Ω, low THD+Noise, high S/N ratio, ...

When I was a college pig I worked part time as a sales person in an audio store. This shop was pretty much a midfi store, but we carried some affordable higher quality gear. One of the bread and butter lines was Onkyo, and we had the M-508 amp and P 308 stack in stock. At the time the M 508 was my dream amp, and I really could not see how audio could be much better than that amp driving a pair of Acoustats or Magnepans. The typical Japanese amps from this time period were current limiting designs that could not handle the thoroughbred speakers of that time period. But eventually I learned that the "desirable" amps from this era were the American and certain European designs, and so my interest turned to companies like PSE, PS Audio, Rowland, Meitner, and so forth. I never really learned a lot about the better Japanese designs such as the higher grade Luxman, or say Accuphase. These days i understand that Sony made a VFET series of amp and pre that are still pretty well regarded by those who know of it. I guess I am not a true vintage fan in the strictest sense of the work, as I have very little interest in 60's and 70's electronics. There certainly are pieces of those eras that I appreciate, but they really dont curl my tail. Companies Like Apogee, Celestion, Duntech, ESB, Maplenoll, PSE, CJ, ARC, VTL, SOTA, Oracle...those are the classic pieces that piggie dreams are made of.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
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