Food For Thought

Myles B. Astor

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From Bob Stuart today entitled "Who Cares?"

From time to time we come across audio 'experts' who 'know' that AAC/MP3 is 'good enough for the masses', using arguments like: 'people do most of their listening on the train'; 'these days music is just the background'.

These same 'experts' get very 'edgy' if you suggest CD wasn't perfect. The barrage begins: M&M, ABX, 'snake oil', 'marketing', 'Nyquist knows best', 'vested interest',-followed by appeals to outdated psychoacoustics or retreats into 'it doesn't matter in the real world'.

It's sad, but we shouldn't mind if someone doesn't care whether a recording is well made, delivered and played back. But I mind a lot if they try to dismiss such efforts as 'self-serving', 'misleading', 'delusional', or 'exploitative'. That is the true arrogance of the ignorant. Worse, if by doing so the landscape tilts and a generation of innocent miss out on the opportunity for better sound.

We need the recording industry to be sustainable. the companies that developed lossy codecs spent real money doing so; the telecoms poured huge resources into reducing bitrate to the lowest tolerable sound intelligibility. Is it somehow nobler to lower sound quality than to seek higher quality?

I've devoted a lot of time of understanding and making sound better, to enable better recordings that remove veils between the performer and the listener-all in the interest of deeper communication, enjoyment and preservation of the music.

The enduring insight is that our hearing is exquisite; it's robust (we can always recognize the tune in bizarre circumstances) but it also 'knows the real thing' right away.

Very few make the effort to get is as good as it can be. But it still drives my research. The good news is that so many experienced listeners and musicians agree.

Anyone else?
 
I admire the sentiment, but I'm afraid it's likely to be just a prelude to advertising or promoting MQA; in other words the opening for an infommercial...

Although come to think of it wasn't this written about 15 yrs ago??
 
It will be interesting to see how MQA shakes out. Some people have already stuck their necks out and proclaimed it to be a digital game changer not just in terms of streaming benefits, but in terms of a purported change of higher sound quality. My opinion is that we will grow real legs in a petri dish before MQA will grow legs in the marketplace. The reactions from those who have heard the demos are all over the place. The interpretations of the intent of MQA and the what Bob Stuart has publicly said about it are also all over the place. I find it hard to believe based on the comments I have read from people that we have even read the same articles about MQA.

I think the real truth is that we are over saturated with digital 'solutions' and formats in the marketplace and we have been for years. And, the average non-audiophile doesn't even have a clue all of this 'stuff' is going on. The average person who listens to digital music streaming over their portable devices cares more about cost than quality. Like a fat man at an all you can eat buffet, they can't get enough of free or dirt cheap all you can stand digital music (credit goes to MF for that analogy by the way).
 
Myles.......What I like is all that matters to me. What others like receives due consideration and is summarily dismissed if it doesn't meet or exceed my standards. It works for me. I certainly don't need someone else to determine what I should like or not. I'll make that decision on my own. I suspect I am not alone in this mindset.
 
When it seemed records were dead and done with I had hopes digital would with computer down loads give me a world of old blues that was so rare I was unlikely to find a good recording. That never happened instead it was a race to the bottom of what could be passed off as music and to the bottom of the wallet. Digital for me is DVDs as in movies I have not bought a cd in years. It has its place just not in my place. Those that listen to it and like it good for them. RtR was another come back I had hoped would do well but very limited in rock and blues so far and I am to deep in Vinyl to be buy doubles of what I have. Just my 2 cents

Music has always been at odds with the business of music, oil and water.
 
Regarding the mass market, a reason for a glimmer of hope (I think) might be the resurgence in vinyl among the hipsters. A lot of people think it is a fad and it is happening just because it's hip. I am not so sure that is the case. To the extent that many of the younger crowd are popularizing vinyl because it actually sounds better this could drive a paradigm shift in the market. Could this be a sign the pendulum is swinging back (even if ever so slightly) and SQ is starting to matter again?
 
Regarding the mass market, a reason for a glimmer of hope (I think) might be the resurgence in vinyl among the hipsters. A lot of people think it is a fad and it is happening just because it's hip. I am not so sure that is the case. To the extent that many of the younger crowd are popularizing vinyl because it actually sounds better this could drive a paradigm shift in the market. Could this be a sign the pendulum is swinging back (even if ever so slightly) and SQ is starting to matter again?

Their are always some and hopefully enough who want it good , better , best to make a market for those producing . No one wants to make a great product and go broke doing it. If the young stay focused on vinyl it will be good for ever one who wants music in a good way. Quality is something most people can get behind if the cost is with in their reach. High end audio is the world champ for being out of reach . I have seen the younger set buy a 600 dollar set of head phones and plug into pure crap iPhone . Imo not my money so not my business . They would think I am nuts with my gear nothing is portable which is fine with me.
 
Regarding the mass market, a reason for a glimmer of hope (I think) might be the resurgence in vinyl among the hipsters. A lot of people think it is a fad and it is happening just because it's hip. I am not so sure that is the case. To the extent that many of the younger crowd are popularizing vinyl because it actually sounds better this could drive a paradigm shift in the market. Could this be a sign the pendulum is swinging back (even if ever so slightly) and SQ is starting to matter again?

I don't think hipsters have anything to do with it.

Kids have driven the market since the 1950s. Since the 1970s they have been the dominant force, something in the area of 97% of the entire market. The rest (non kids: classical, jazz etc.) have had to be content with the remaining 3% or less. The LP has been the bid deal with kids for the last 15 years or so. The only reason why the CD came in was not because kids wanted it, it was because the record labels forced them down everyone's throats. This caused them no end of troubles down the road. Buyers drive the market not the suppliers...

Its nice to see and buy LPs at Target and Barnes and Nobles...
 
I don't think hipsters have anything to do with it.

Kids have driven the market since the 1950s. Since the 1970s they have been the dominant force, something in the area of 97% of the entire market. The rest (non kids: classical, jazz etc.) have had to be content with the remaining 3% or less. The LP has been the bid deal with kids for the last 15 years or so. The only reason why the CD came in was not because kids wanted it, it was because the record labels forced them down everyone's throats. This caused them no end of troubles down the road. Buyers drive the market not the suppliers...

Its nice to see and buy LPs at Target and Barnes and Nobles...

Say what?? I don't understand your post. Yes, buyers drive the market. Yes, kids are a dominant buyers in the market. Yes, kids have gotten into vinyl again.

How can kids have nothing to do with it????
 
Hipster's are a subset of kids which, amongst other interesting traits, correlate higher to vinyl usage than the rest of the kid population.
 
Pretty Ironic ,

Since Cd's and In particular digital , saved the music business, still doing so today..

Are you serious? Digital killed the music business and it has never recovered. That's why major labels are going back to selling some vinyl because at least there is some money to be made. I have talked about this numerous times over the years. Once everybody bought a computer with a CD drive, the record labels lost control of their distribution and they can't put the digital genie back in the bottle.
 
The music business was thriving with CDs and digital music. However the internet has certainly changed the music business and cut into the record companies profits. That's when the record companies lost control of the distribution. MP3 and/or it's compressed equivalent and the internet, is the real culprit.

Personally, I'm not so sure even it has ruined the music business. In fact, we now have access to more musicians that make some money making great music instead of the selected few that the record companies chose for us to hear. The money (and prob not as much as before) is just spread out more now to more artists.

The artists that make the BIG money now days are the ones that put on a great live show. Isn't that better? For everybody except the record companies?
 
Are you serious? Digital killed the music business and it has never recovered. That's why major labels are going back to selling some vinyl because at least there is some money to be made. I have talked about this numerous times over the years. Once everybody bought a computer with a CD drive, the record labels lost control of their distribution and they can't put the digital genie back in the bottle.


I'm sorry, wasn't aware you were involved in the music business , please expound and send Apple a copy ....


PS: I said music business not record labels ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbusch/2012/03/27/major-record-labels-as-dinosaurs/


digital saved the music industry if not for , it would have died A very expensive death, also most artist made their money touring , unless you happen to have a "thriller" ..

:)
 
Are you serious? Digital killed the music business and it has never recovered. That's why major labels are going back to selling some vinyl because at least there is some money to be made. I have talked about this numerous times over the years. Once everybody bought a computer with a CD drive, the record labels lost control of their distribution and they can't put the digital genie back in the bottle.

One word. Napster.
 
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