Fifty years from now, ....Audio?

Chris,

I have seen the Rippingtons about 6x and Acoustic Alchemy twice and Lee several times also. I have heard Keiko but have no disks. Will look into it. I also like Don Grusin and Dave Grusin, the latter is the G in GRP.
 
Smaller, cheaper, better digital. There will always be vintage & quality vintage will appreciate with value if the build quality & performance was there to begin with.

Analog will survive for as long as vinyl does or until we evolve to process digital directly....but then it is no longer music, it is something else...Locutus?

Buy vinyl, keep the magic alive. Timeless music is in the past, not the present.

Footnote: the market for vintage electronics will grow IMO. Even vintage computers....
 
Shadowfax said:
Unfortunately, lots of music is a direct reflection of the times and right now this world is in a very negative place and not getting any better. For the most part, music is worse also. Todays main stream music and female lip syncers who could not write the words to the songs they sing just plain suck. There is still some good Fusion, Jazz-Rock-Fusion happening today, but I much prefer to listen to Zep, Allman Bros, Uriah Heap, older Journey, Ozzie and the likes than any of the rock bands of today like the Chilli Peppers where every song sounds just like the last one.

I will stay stuck in the past until bands start playing music and learning how to sing and not scream or growl and when the words to songs start being more positive and tell a story. Yep, think Foxtrot or Trick of the Tail. Show me an album from the 80s to today that can beat that type of playing, song writing, and emotion.
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I didn't want to contribute to the de-railment, but I have to stand with you Brian on this. What you said here are my sentiments as well.
I grew up in the 60s and early 70s when new music was an everyday occurrence and the artists were real, not manufactured. You had groups that really sang like Mamas & Papas and CSN. You had artists that really wrote songs like the ones I just mentioned and well beyond. Sure the music was a reflection of the times and always will be, but these days it's more a reflection of the diseased society and negative stuff than a reflection of the times and how to deal with it.
 
Shadowfax said:
Unfortunately, lots of music is a direct reflection of the times and right now this world is in a very negative place and not getting any better. For the most part, music is worse also. Todays main stream music and female lip syncers who could not write the words to the songs they sing just plain suck. There is still some good Fusion, Jazz-Rock-Fusion happening today, but I much prefer to listen to Zep, Allman Bros, Uriah Heap, older Journey, Ozzie and the likes than any of the rock bands of today like the Chilli Peppers where every song sounds just like the last one.

I will stay stuck in the past until bands start playing music and learning how to sing and not scream or growl and when the words to songs start being more positive and tell a story. Yep, think Foxtrot or Trick of the Tail. Show me an album from the 80s to today that can beat that type of playing, song writing, and emotion.
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The world is what we make of it Brian, and the world is bigger than CNN, FOX and all that jazz.
In Europe, in Canada, in Africa, in some countries there is enough love to inspire peaceful artist musicians, with nice mountains, rivers and lakes.
It's up to us to search for what we're looking for; it's out there and nobody is going to take our hand and walk us into paradise.
If we cannot go out there physically we have the Internet.

We can walk in a city block and witness a murder, and we can walk into the next block and saw two kids playing in the garden.

Led Zeppelin is still good, but Classical Chamber music is still even more soothing for the soul. IMO

Are you a member over @ AudioAficionado? ...Check the Classical music forum section. That's one of the good things going.
 
Bob...like some of those audio forums that talk to sell....a moderated dead beat that goes on and on and on. The enthusiastic move on for the love of music.

As for my take on the current beat...Popular music of the 21st century is symptomatic of a diseased society. Manufactured and mass produced. Consumed and then forgotten.

A real aficionado has nothing to sell but something to give.
 
fas42 said:
Bob, I have no problem with Classical, it's just the latest recordings that I'm finding a turn off - because they're not as well done as those originating from, say, prior to 20 years ago. That said, I've heard quite a few recent BBC Music issues lately, and they're fine - I might just be having bad luck with some of the others recently tried: things like, inconsistency of tonal quality from one track to the next.

Frank
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Frank, are you keeping in touch with Classical music great selections from places like Audiophile Audition, Kalman Rubinson's blog in Stereophile, Grammophon Classical music mag, ...? There are several Music mags covering Heavy Metal to Classical Chamber music to Orchestral and Operas. And the Internet is another great source of the latest and greatest music discoveries.

We are all much better than what we appear in audio forums...and our musical journey will never expired.
...If it does then we know what that means.
It's the desire, the search for the truth, for the new, for the known & unknown beauty that truly animated us all.
That is if we are straight honest with ourselves and finally living @ peace with the rest.

If we are mainly snobs, money obsessively oriented, primarily financially motivated, charlatans, snake-oil preachers and salesmen, and all that jazz, then we are living inside a science fiction movie, like a cardboard cartoon dimension-less, lost in a delusional space of infinite perdition.

And in fifty years from now they'll be new sci-fi movies. ;) ...The Muppet Show.
 
I am reading and I am realizing that my taste in music and that my vision into the future is truly my own and the one from the very few here, and there, out there in the world...

We have (we all have, in all audio forums) music threads that can inspire us towards new discoveries. I use them often to expand my musical horizons.
And fifty years from now some audiophile recording studios will be at the cutting-edge of their top capabilities in providing some of the best quality music recordings from some of the best "soul" artist/musicians.

The young people of today (between age one and five) are the future recording/road musician artists and recording engineers.
....In fifty years time (2064). They are our children's children's children.
 
Steve said:
Bob...like some of those audio forums that talk to sell....a moderated dead beat that goes on and on and on.
The enthusiastic move on for the love of music.

As for my take on the current beat...Popular music of the 21st century is symptomatic of a diseased society. Manufactured and mass produced. Consumed and then forgotten.

A real aficionado has nothing to sell but something to give.
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I looked back few times at what you wrote Steve; at first I did not reply. ...But thinking deeper I felt 'exorcised' to.
Yes, Music is the thing in all audio forums; music we love, music to discover, and music we appreciate when well recorded and reproduced.

Fifty years from now this will hold still solid.

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When the business (financial) side of the equation is taking too much emphasis, and somehow burying the emotional impact of the music we so much love, then it's tough. Because as emotional and sensitive music lovers we are all, we somehow feel a little shaken in our soul's core.

I believe today there is a deep truth in how we are truly moved. And this will never change, fifty billion light years from now.

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I much rather find ways to improve the acoustics of our rooms than getting some of the most expensive electronic equipment (audio components). And that is where I believe smart people will still keep the emphasis on; today, tomorrow, and in fifty years.
I already mentioned it in an earlier post here.
 
NorthStar said:
The world is what we make of it Brian, and the world is bigger than CNN, FOX and all that jazz.
In Europe, in Canada, in Africa, in some countries there is enough love to inspire peaceful artist musicians, with nice mountains, rivers and lakes.
It's up to us to search for what we're looking for; it's out there and nobody is going to take our hand and walk us into paradise.
If we cannot go out there physically we have the Internet.

We can walk in a city block and witness a murder, and we can walk into the next block and saw two kids playing in the garden.

Led Zeppelin is still good, but Classical Chamber music is still even more soothing for the soul. IMO

Are you a member over @ AudioAficionado? ...Check the Classical music forum section. That's one of the good things going.
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Some of us (me anyway) don't even watch or listen to the news or read the newspaper and I still know what is going on, the realities. Music will always be a reflection of the times.
I don't think Brian was saying his taste are narrowed down to three artists or something. However, we all like what we like and not everything will resonate with any of us.
My musical tastes are extremely diverse, but I still do not like Opera, Rap, Hip-hop, Reggae, Heavy Metal,today's pop or modern Country and will not give any of it the time of day. I'm game for pretty much anything else. I also hang out in the sub-genres a fair amount. You can still find art there.
 
Steve said:
Bob...like some of those audio forums that talk to sell....a moderated dead beat that goes on and on and on. The enthusiastic move on for the love of music.

As for my take on the current beat...Popular music of the 21st century is symptomatic of a diseased society. Manufactured and mass produced. Consumed and then forgotten.

A real aficionado has nothing to sell but something to give.
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Well said Steve.
 
MusicDirector said:
I didn't want to contribute to the de-railment, ...
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In all my threads Eric members are free to explore all avenues; after all we are always discussing life's essence.

* If someone comes up with a great humorous line to keep the good cordiality along, and others are jumping on the band wagon; are we a scientific forum of the highest caliber where everything must be coordinated and serious and always on topic? No we're not; we're regular humans. And often it is from off topic posts that we learn the most.

Everyone is different from everyone else; that's what makes us so unique, so precious, so valuable.
 
NorthStar said:
In all my threads Eric members are free to explore all avenues; after all we are always discussing life's essence.
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Yeah, I know that's ok with you, but drives me nuts and leads to a lot of confusion. (Just my personal preference. This is your thread so it's all good).
 
NorthStar said:
Frank, are you keeping in touch with Classical music great selections from places like Audiophile Audition, Kalman Rubinson's blog in Stereophile, Grammophon Classical music mag, ...? There are several Music mags covering Heavy Metal to Classical Chamber music to Orchestral and Operas. And the Internet is another great source of the latest and greatest music discoveries.
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Bob, I keep discovering new, old music - there's so much out there that's the least of my worries ... no, what disappointed me with some of the recent classical offerings is that the texture, for want of a better term, of the sound was too disrupted - they had the feeling of being done by people who didn't really know how to do it properly, the mechanics of the recording, that is - they didn't have good understanding of the toys they had at their disposal. Texture of sound is very important to me, and when it sounds like it's been done by amateurs, when it most certainly requires professional care - then I find it a little disturbing.

The interesting thing is that current Avant Garde sound often comes across as being far more professionally crafted, than Classical!

Frank
 
I think electronica (Avant Garde, New Wave, Alternative, Cutting-Edge, Hip-Hop, Acid Rap, ...) music is so much easier to record directly into the music medium than Classical music using well positioned mikes and performers, Frank.
Also the BASS! It gives you an adrenaline rush like a propulsion engine from a spacecraft/rocket launcher while sitting underneath on the platform pad!

Crap music is much more easier/simplistic to record and bombastic on all your senses including your mojo's nerves of your entire body than inquisitional and transparent and exquisiteness and true ecstasy from complex arrangements and careful microphone's positioning with a full 69 Classical Orchestral members band on a large stage inside a large hall and well maneuvered by the expert hands of the recording engineers.

Maybe that's why most people take the most "superficial/impactful" music over the total physicality of their entire body instead of the true artistic/valuable musical compositions over the spirituality from the deep crevasses of their soul.

Is that make any sense to you Frank?

It might sound well recorded, but you don't know that till you become a better man/woman.
And that, is all there inside us. We are the biggest, meanest, well lubricated, extremely fine-tuned, totally calibrated, perfectly in sync, very best audio component of them all when it comes to interpreting the music reproduction with human verve!

We just don't use our ears but in tandem with the vibrating/emotional chords of our soul.

So, fifty years from now we should perhaps aim for that goal?
 
Interesting you mention bass, Bob ... two reference recordings I use here are ZZ Top Afterburner, tremendously punchy synth. bass, heavily layered with everything else, and Boney M., deep, gut wrenching disco bass. These are the sort of recordings that should grab in all the sensitive parts, :D, and take you for a fantastic body experience, at the highest volumes you can handle. And the system should not hesitate doing it ...

Bob, are you aiming to build a Charles Atlas body for us listeners ...? :yahoo1:

Frank
 
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