External Clock?

Peter, I guess my question would be, if we were starting from scratch, and for a moment ignoring the sales/financial aspects, should we expect to achieve better clock performance with a great internal clock a la Lumin/EMM/MSB or a great external clock a la Esoteric/dCS?

Even though many experts believe the internal clock design should be more correct, there is a hypothesis that some people may actually like the type of jittery rendition brought by an external clock, not unlike some sort of distortion that can be pleasing to listen to (e.g. second order harmonic of SET). The fact that people can hear differences among clock cables may also imply that the cable does affect the clock jitter, which may be an evidence of external clock being more jittery in usual setups. The existence of 50 ohm vs 75 ohm clock input even among different products of the same manufacturer make things even more complicated.

The clock design is only one of the many aspects of technical implementation that affect SQ. Since SQ preference is subjective anyway, I guess one should just audition the different systems and ignore the implementation details (e.g. clock or Delta Sigma vs R2R, etc.) and factor in the costs of the clock and the clock cable.
 
Even though many experts believe the internal clock design should be more correct, there is a hypothesis that some people may actually like the type of jittery rendition brought by an external clock, not unlike some sort of distortion that can be pleasing to listen to (e.g. second order harmonic of SET). The fact that people can hear differences among clock cables may also imply that the cable does affect the clock jitter, which may be an evidence of external clock being more jittery in usual setups. The existence of 50 ohm vs 75 ohm clock input even among different products of the same manufacturer make things even more complicated.

The clock design is only one of the many aspects of technical implementation that affect SQ. Since SQ preference is subjective anyway, I guess one should just audition the different systems and ignore the implementation details (e.g. clock or Delta Sigma vs R2R, etc.) and factor in the costs of the clock and the clock cable.
And an additional power cable. From an investment standpoint, I prefer paying for a single great internal clock over having to acquire for an external clock at a premium to achieve comparable performance. Thanks for your thoughts, Peter.
 
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My two cents


I have never tried an external clock but I experienced digital amplification with internal dac and digital connection to the CD player. As you know, in this connection the DAC of the CD player's stay turned off.
To my surprise, I prefered much more when using the DAC of the CD player and the connection was made by an analogue cable to the amplifier that did the decoding again to digital...


Audio is not so linear as we sometimes think...
 
I'm not surprised. I've received similar comments from customers before who preferred analog outputs, even if it is followed by another stage of analog to digital conversion done by an amplifier that digitizes the inputs. This reminds me of other forum reports of preferring vinyl rips (for playback using a DAC) to CD rips. In this hobby, ultimately I think what sounds good to oneself is much more important than what other people say what should sound good or is correct.
 
In this hobby, ultimately I think what sounds good to oneself is much more important than what other people say what should sound good or is correct.

Peter.......So true. There is only one person that must be happy with my sound systems..........Me!
 
Interesting topic; a few month ago I think it was Stereophile (maybe The Absolute Sound, I am being too lazy to search out the issue :))....anyway they did a very nice go through of one of the dCS DACs. They loved it but preferred the unit using only the internal clock. They actual felt the external clock degraded the sound.
 
Interesting topic; a few month ago I think it was Stereophile (maybe The Absolute Sound, I am being too lazy to search out the issue :))....anyway the did a very nice go through of one of the dCS DACs. They loved it but preferred the unit using only the internal clock. They actual felt the external clock degraded the sound.

It depends on the quality of the clock.
 
It depends on the quality of the clock.

In the article/review they tried the external clock that dCS sold (fairly expensive I thought) and came away saying that they preferred the DAC using only the internal clock. It was supposedly designed for that specific model. They did love the DAC but not so much the external clock :).

I felt it was interesting because at the time one of our audio club members took a couple other members down to a dealer in LA to check out this very same DAC. He has an older dCS. So far he is not into digital so much but has been considering a server, etc. They came away saying that he was going to keep his current dCS. I read the article shortly afterwards and suggested maybe trying it without the external clock. I don't believe he has gone back down to do that as of yet however.
 
I've never read a report where adding a dCS clock to a dCS component would be make it sound worse.
 
I've never read a report where adding a dCS clock to a dCS component would be make it sound worse.

Well, you read it reported on this thread! Put this in your “first time” folder. [emoji16]
 
Guys like Ed Meitner are adamantly against the concept. I added one to the esoteric K1 I had.. I didn’t think it made much difference
 
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