Expectation Bias - so demonstrated..........

I read that from another site. They did not account for the 2 positions of the switch or the fact that Blue LEDs sound different than the Red ones.
 
The difference between listening and measuring is the reason given when you get it right and the excuse given when you get it wrong. Both camps have expectation bias.
 
Reminds me of the fuses we tried. One even costing $1500. The folks who were blindfolded could not tell any difference with any of the fuses.

I guess if you find a fuse that messes with the sound, that could change things. But is it better?

Curious: do aftermarket fuses void warranties? [emoji848]


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Nobody forces any of us to spend our $ on this or any other hobby.

If you feel you have to justify it for some reason, okay then.

Personally, I use measurements, listening judgments, emotion and whatever else comes along at the time to make my purchasing decisions and don’t feel I have to justify my reasons to anyone.
 
"This is the basis of the audiophile “interconnect” and “power purifying” industries. You’ve been warned..."

Hmmm, exactly what are we being warned about? Are we expected to accept that the results of this experiment NOT comparing interconnects or power purification products somehow proves that there are no differences in sound between different interconnects and power purifying products? How do the two POSSIBLY correlate, let alone lead to the implied conclusion quoted above? A bit of a leap, I would say.
 
Mike said:
Reminds me of the fuses we tried. One even costing $1500. The folks who were blindfolded could not tell any difference with any of the fuses.

I guess if you find a fuse that messes with the sound, that could change things. But is it better?

Curious: do aftermarket fuses void warranties? [emoji848]


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If the aftermarket fuses were not provided from the manufacturer and the aftermarket fuse was responsible for damaging the gear and burning your house down, your warranty will be null and void. If you burn your house down because of an aftermarket fuse and the insurance company discovers the cause of the fire, your home insurance policy will also be null and voided.
 
crwilli said:
Nobody forces any of us to spend our $ on this or any other hobby.

If you feel you have to justify it for some reason, okay then.

Personally, I use measurements, listening judgments, emotion and whatever else comes along at the time to make my purchasing decisions and don’t feel I have to justify my reasons to anyone.
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100% agree. As long as you are happy, that's all that matters.
 
mep said:
If the aftermarket fuses were not provided from the manufacturer and the aftermarket fuse was responsible for damaging the gear and burning your house down, your warranty will be null and void. If you burn your house down because of an aftermarket fuse and the insurance company discovers the cause of the fire, your home insurance policy will also be null and voided.
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Funny they don’t mention that.


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"The industry’s most experienced, objective, and trusted ears had been conned."

Now, this is text taken from the article.

I personally have never heard of this group but given the test? "Trusted Ears"?

Tom
 
The only thing I trust is mine and my wife's ears. I have been in listening sessions when people say they hear things that I don't.
 
bryans said:
The only thing I trust is mine and my wife's ears. I have been in listening sessions when people say they hear things that I don't.
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Did you ever consider that the people who say they can hear things you don't are correct and they really are hearing things you aren't?
 
Honestly I don't really care what others say they hear. If they do hear something that is great. It really doesn't affect my decision making process.
 
I think (and I could be 100% wrong) that listening is a learned skill like anything else you do. My method is that I don't analyze the highs, mids or lows. I just listen to the music and feel the groove. The "grooviest" (the most tuneful) is what sounds better to me. I listen to my system as is for about a minute or so, then I install the new component (which has been plugged in for a while) and play it. I don't go back and forth, right away there is a winner.
 
mep said:
Did you ever consider that the people who say they can hear things you don't are correct and they really are hearing things you aren't?
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The only thing I consider at that point is respect for the fact that everyone listens differently; often, with their own agenda, biases, and preferences in tow. They are free to listen and perceive as they wish.

Beyond that, no, there is nothing to consider. This is especially true when people exhibit biases and/or agenda at any time during or prior to the event.

If someone has a price-motivated or profit motivation underlying, then also, no consideration given.

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treitz3 said:
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I personally have never heard of this group but given the test? "Trusted Ears"?
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From the article: "The membership consists of highly experienced recording engineers, equipment designers, equipment manufacturers, and more recently, other professionals working in the video and television industries. Membership is by invitation only: you must be a bona fide audio professional with experience and references to be considered for membership. ...."

Sounds like you are not any of the above...
 
SCAudiophile said:
The only thing I consider at that point is respect for the fact that everyone listens differently; often, with their own agenda, biases, and preferences in tow. They are free to listen and perceive as they wish.

Beyond that, no, there is nothing to consider. This is especially true when people exhibit biases and/or agenda at any time during or prior to the event.

If someone has a price-motivated or profit motivation underlying, then also, no consideration given.

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I actually directed my commnets to Bryans, but I appreciate your input. My only point is that if you have friends/guests/visitors over to hear your system and they claim to hear things in your system that you aren't, I wouldn't dismiss their claims out of hand. It doesn't mean you personally find their comments relative, but if you have a quorum of people over time that make similar comments about what they are hearing even though you don't, they may have a point.
 
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