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Are EV chargers and cable terminations universal or specific to a car brand? In other words can a Prius and a Tesla use the same charging station?
 
Dizzie said:
Are EV chargers and cable terminations universal or specific to a car brand? In other words can a Prius and a Tesla use the same charging station?
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No, they are different, but you can buy adaptors and then pay Tesla to charge your EV at their station.


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Dizzie said:
Are EV chargers and cable terminations universal or specific to a car brand? In other words can a Prius and a Tesla use the same charging station?
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That is sad. Imagine if decades ago manufacturers had had different gas tank fill pipe openings and requirements. There would not be any Arco, Shell, or Exxon stations. There would be GM, Ford and Dodge gas stations, etc. Do not even think about buying a Saab you would have to put gas into a 5-gallon can and then pour it into your tank.

Maybe someday there will be charging stations with multiple configurations. Like the diesel pump nozzle next to the gasoline nozzles.
 
Go Go Tesla Stock. I still do not own a Tesla product but very happy with the 0-60 of the Tesla stock! Thanks Elon M! :heart:
 
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TheOctopus said:
It is full steam ahead for EV. No stopping that train now that the public has been sold that idea of saving the planet. Ultimately the consumer will pay much more for energy/electric as the cost of this "change in infrastructure" is passed on to each one of us. The energy prices have been going up at least 2.8 percent a year lately, sometimes more without making any changes... Let's see what happens in another decade. :rolleyes:
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I agree that EV is coming but I think its going to take much longer than most people are thinking for a couple of reasons. First … look at average fleet life of cars and trucks and since its 7+ years and since most people in the US won’t be buying an EV for their “Next” purchase you can see how the timeline is going to go way out there. Also, for folks that live in apartments … no good solution for charging for them and nothing on the horizon. Lastly … price is still way to high for the average car buyer. I didn’t even mention the upgrades to our electric infrastructure to deliver such a massive increase in power delivery did I? LOL .. Yes .. folks may be trading their Mercedes and BMW’s for EV’s today as money for them is not the issue and they mistakenly believe they are reducing carbon emissions. My neighbor bought one for that very reason .. when I asked them how our electricity got produced they had no idea and had a blank look on their face.

If you want one because of the features or performance go for it .. the new Hummer seems interesting to me but way too pricey! Bought a 4Runner instead.

I think we are 50 years before EV is the majority of cars actually on the road. That said … if I was a good fortune teller I’d live in Vegas which I don’t so there you have it. Just my 2c! :-)

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I think conversion to EVs may be regional/political like vaccination rates. EV is probably a swear word in oil-producing states. And states with a lot of open space between towns may have a harder time converting.

My utility (Sacramento Municipal Utility District) is going carbon free by 2030 and we get bad air in the summer (cars and fires) so EVs make more sense here.
 
Dizzie said:
I think conversion to EVs may be regional/political like vaccination rates. EV is probably a swear word in oil-producing states. And states with a lot of open space between towns may have a harder time converting.

My utility (Sacramento Municipal Utility District) is going carbon free by 2030 and we get bad air in the summer (cars and fires) so EVs make more sense here.
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Living in California, Tesla EVs are almost as common as Toyotas and Hondas. It seems like Teslas are every 3rd auto on the road! Of course, PG&E has the highest electric rates in the entire country. Depending on your usage, it can be as high as $0.50/kwh! Nonetheless, EVs make sense.

I installed my 1st solar system (hot water) in 1980. It has paid for itself several times over. I have had solar panels to heat my swimming pools for the last 40 years. My 1st solar electric system was installed in 2003. Several additions over the years has brought it's size up to 16KW.

Three weeks ago I took delivery of a Tesla Model S (refreshed version), Long Range (405 miles). It had been on order since April. It was well worth the wait. The fit, finish, and features are wonderful. The instant acceleration, 0-60mph in 3.1 seconds is thrilling. In short, it has exceeded my expectations and is the finest vehicle I have ever owned. With the exception of the occasional road trip, it will be totally fueled by my home solar system. In spite of income from the oil industry, I believe solar is the future, and to ignore or belittle the fact is stupid. The use of fossil fuels must and will decline. The future is coming on rapidly. Embrace it!

BTW, The Tesla has the best sound system I have ever experienced in an automobile

I also ride an e-Bike. It is my primary mode of inner city (SF) transport.
 
I suppose we don't need to mention the BIG OIL pays a lion's share of the federal tax revenue? Three out of top 10 companies paying taxes are BIG OIL. The government spends way more and runs a tremendous deficit. In fact last time there was a surplus was in 2001. Removing BIG OIL from the pictures will help HOW? Only by taxing other industries and individuals more and more and MORE...




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MtnHam said:
Living in California, Tesla EVs are almost as common as Toyotas and Hondas. It seems like Teslas are every 3rd auto on the road! Of course, PG&E has the highest electric rates in the entire country. Depending on your usage, it can be as high as $0.50/kwh!

I installed my 1st solar system (hot water) in 1980. It has paid for itself several times over. I have had solar panels to heat my swimming pools for the last 40 years. My 1st solar electric system was installed in 2003. Several additions over the years has brought it's size up to 16KW.

Three weeks ago I took delivery of a Tesla Model S (refreshed version), Long Range (405 miles). It had been on order since April. It was well worth the wait. The fit, finish, and features are wonderful. The instant acceleration, 0-60mph in 3.1 seconds is thrilling. In short, it has exceeded my expectations and is the finest vehicle I have ever owned. With the exception of the occasional road trip, it will be totally fueled by my home solar system. In spite of income from the oil industry, I believe solar is the future, and to ignore or belittle the fact is stupid. The use of fossil fuels must and will decline. The future is coming on rapidly. Embrace it!

BTW, The Tesla has the best sound system I have ever experienced in an automobile

I also ride an e-Bike. It is my primary mode of inner city (SF) transport.
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Thumbs up for the efforts using renewable energy!

Here in Singapore, cars including Tesla are ridiculously expensive. But I am still waiting for availability of Model Y and hopefully it will be available soon.
 
TheOctopus said:
I suppose we don't need to mention the BIG OIL pays a lion's share of the federal tax revenue? Three out of top 10 companies paying taxes are BIG OIL. The government spends way more and runs a tremendous deficit. In fact last time there was a surplus was in 2001. Removing BIG OIL from the pictures will help HOW? Only by taxing other industries and individuals more and more and MORE...





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I get where you are coming from. Yes there will be major upheaval. It is inevitable. There is no stopping it everyone is on to climate change, so there will be a rush to move on from ICE. The oil company's are major tax contributor, they do get healthy amount of subsides. There are bigger fish that will get caught up in this.
I for one believe this is necessary. From upheaval will come growth.
 
Big B said:
I get where you are coming from. Yes there will be major upheaval. It is inevitable. There is no stopping it everyone is on to climate change, so there will be a rush to move on from ICE. The oil company's are major tax contributor, they do get healthy amount of subsides. There are bigger fish that will get caught up in this.
I for one believe this is necessary. From upheaval will come growth.
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One step at a time. Let's get through this winter first... China and others are scrambling for coal right now to keep the AC flowing and factories from standing still in the dark due to energy shortages.
 
A different perspective.


Steve Koonin, former Undersecretary for Science in the Obama Administration, challenges the confident assumptions

 
By the way, Elon Musk is not a proponent of electric cars because of climate change as many would assume. It is a different reason besides obvious success in a profitable business venture. He claims oil is finite and we should be thinking of sustainable energy that we don't run out of. Oil scarcity would cause an economic collapse. Very true... Look at what is happening to oil prices now and we have NOT run out or even close to it yet. (A topic for another time but there is a theory that the Earth replenishes oil much faster than we think and we just do not understand the process.)

 
"Abiotic Oil a Theory Worth Exploring....

It's our nature to sort, divide, and classify. We label ourselves to identify political leanings, religious beliefs, the food we enjoy, and the sports teams we cheer. The oil industry too has its own distinct labels which include the "Peak Oil" theorists, those who believe the world is fast depleting the finite supply of fossil fuel; and the pragmatists, those who recognize that engineering and technological advances in oil drilling and extraction continuously identify new reserves that make oil plentiful.

And there's a third group you may not know. These people are deeply interested in oil and its origins, but their advocacy of "abiotic theory" has many dismissing them as heretics, frauds, or idealists. They hold that oil can be derived from hydrocarbons that existed eons ago in massive pools deep within the earth's core. That source of hydrocarbons seeps up through the earth's layers and slowly replenishes oil sources. In other words, it turns the fossil-fuel paradigm upside down. "
 
Big B said:
There you go again spreading disinformation. How much time do you spend looking for these obscure studies.
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What makes you think my posts from actual scientists and leading figures on the topic are disinformation and your opinion and sources are factual? Let's see some counterpoints. If you cannot provide them, please refrain from further comments and cheap attempts at insults.
 
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