Ethan Winer of RealTraps

Should be playing a pitchfork with the devil in the background.

Next to Romy, the second most banned person in the audio net world.
 
Romy the cat actually has some pretty good stuff to say, but there is a lot of reading to get through to it. I agree with one of his main points that there is no use upgrading your system if you can not identify what is "wrong" with it to start with. Sound advice.
 
Tomelex said:
Romy the cat actually has some pretty good stuff to say, but there is a lot of reading to get through to it. I agree with one of his main points that there is no use upgrading your system if you can not identify what is "wrong" with it to start with. Sound advice.
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Yes, tons of reading, there is a manifesto but both guys are smart and very opinionated. .. And HUGE HUGE nerds!
 
Tomelex said:
Romy the cat actually has some pretty good stuff to say, but there is a lot of reading to get through to it. I agree with one of his main points that there is no use upgrading your system if you can not identify what is "wrong" with it to start with. Sound advice.
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Surely you are kidding and now write for The Daily Onion. Don't be so naive. Perhaps you should know a little more about the history of Romy before posting absolute nonsense.

Shall we start about his lying? I can give you at least three instances when he lied about me.

Maybe you should find the real reason that he trashed one manufacturer.

Want to talk about his sock puppets?

Why did he get kicked off your usual haunt?
 
Both Romy and Ethans sites have good information, and like I said you need to wade through a lot of stuff to find it.

Wade through this:

[video]http://exposed.ethanwiner.com/index.htm[/video]
 
Tomelex said:
Both Romy and Ethans sites have good information, and like I said you need to wade through a lot of stuff to find it.

Wade through this:

[video]http://exposed.ethanwiner.com/index.htm[/video]
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Yes even a broken clock is right twice a day.

And like you do on WBF, why don't you ever answer a question???
 
I've read posts from the Winer dog, but never heard of Romy the cat. Oh well, other trolls will take their place, but it is getting harder and harder to deny power cables, and other cables, make a big difference.
 
I thought those who knew electronics and simple audio electronics knew that power cables and cables and interconnects have measureable effects in the early eighties and it was documented by then IIRC. The audio critic ran the cable and interconnect tests I believe. Its an old horse to those of us who have been around for awhile anyway. Night and day differences are due to extremes not good engineering practice IMO
 
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Tomelex said:
I thought those who knew electronics and simple audio electronics knew that power cables and cables and interconnects have measureable effects in the early eighties and it was documented by then IIRC. The audio critic ran the cable and interconnect tests I believe. Its an old horse to those of us who have been around for awhile anyway. Night and day differences are due to extremes not good engineering practice IMO
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The cable tests were done by Stereo Review and has been debunked numerous times including by one of the participants. You can also do a search for more info on Stereophile's website.

This is the wrong place if you think you are going to preach that cables don't make a difference.
 
Myles B. Astor said:
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The cable tests were done by Stereo Review and has been debunked numerous times including by one of the participants. You can also do a search for more info on Stereophile's website.

This is the wrong place if you think you are going to preach that cables don't make a difference.
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There is a reason I prefer to steer clear of a couple of folks on this forum:

Lets look at this for Christ sake:

Originally Posted by Tomelex I thought those who knew electronics and simple audio electronics knew that power cables and cables and interconnects have measureable effects in the early eighties and it was documented by then IIRC. The audio critic ran the cable and interconnect tests I believe. Its an old horse to those of us who have been around for awhile anyway. Night and day differences are due to extremes not good engineering practice IMO


The cable tests were done by Stereo Review and has been debunked numerous times including by one of the participants. You can also do a search for more info on Stereophile's website.

This is the wrong place if you think you are going to preach that cables don't make a difference.

Myles, perhaps you might take the time to read a post a bit more thoroughly before banging away on the keypad? If you don't mind bro.
 
BlueFox said:
I've read posts from the Winer dog, but never heard of Romy the cat. Oh well, other trolls will take their place, but it is getting harder and harder to deny power cables, and other cables, make a big difference.
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goodsoundclub or google romy the cat.
 
Tomelex said:
There is a reason I prefer to steer clear of a couple of folks on this forum:

Lets look at this for Christ sake:

Originally Posted by Tomelex I thought those who knew electronics and simple audio electronics knew that power cables and cables and interconnects have measureable effects in the early eighties and it was documented by then IIRC. The audio critic ran the cable and interconnect tests I believe. Its an old horse to those of us who have been around for awhile anyway. Night and day differences are due to extremes not good engineering practice IMO


The cable tests were done by Stereo Review and has been debunked numerous times including by one of the participants. You can also do a search for more info on Stereophile's website.

This is the wrong place if you think you are going to preach that cables don't make a difference.

Myles, perhaps you might take the time to read a post a bit more thoroughly before banging away on the keypad? If you don't mind bro.
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I'm not your bro nor anyone else's bro because your daddy's shoes weren't under my mommas bed. So lose the bro act.

That said bro, your post was the same old stuff, different package. Don't you ever get tired of rehashing the same thing over and over and over again? You know the definition of insanity?

Not only did you cite the wrong example and what 30 year (?) old source but cherry picked your one data point. You quite suspiciously left out newer data points, most recently those of John Atkinson and Michael Fremer, who were tested and could identify in 5/5 instances, differences between cables under non-extreme conditions. So there goes another one of your theories. Or are you going to just make another excuse that they are lucky coins?

If you are going to quote scientific studies-that none of these including the SR piece are because they are not peer reviewed-then don't be parochial! But you know about scientific publications right bro?

And finally, please tell the audience what you listen to, what cables you use and what cables you have recently auditioned in your system. None is the operative term here I expect. I'm sure everybody here wants to know because many if they've heard one, they've auditioned a dozen cables and have come to a different conclusion.

Oh and you still haven't told us why your hero Romy was banned from WBF? He has his own site full of vitriol and hate because no one will have him. Oh, and that fake I can't speak English routine? Don't believe it either.
 
Actually the cable tests to which Tom refers (I think) were run by J.Peter Moncrieff and Edith Lumley and were published in IAR. Huge differences in FFT testing which correlated poorly with listening differences (although that wasn't the conclusion the authors came to).

And from reading Tom's first post it does appear that he concedes cables make audible and measurable differences, so your (Myles') criticism appears unjustified in this case...
 
rbbert said:
Actually the cable tests to which Tom refers (I think) were run by J.Peter Moncrieff and Edith Lumley and were published in IAR. Huge differences in FFT testing which correlated poorly with listening differences (although that wasn't the conclusion the authors came to).

And from reading Tom's first post it does appear that he concedes cables make audible and measurable differences, so your (Myles') criticism appears unjustified in this case...
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Then please reread his post again.

Night and day differences are due to extremes not good engineering practice IMO
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The key word is extremes that is code for under normal operating conditions there are no differences. Let me put it more simply. There are no sonic differences among properly engineered cables.

Night and day? That's a strawman argument. That's Tom's interpretation of reviews but I don't know of any reviewer in recent times using those terms.

For instance, why doesn't Tom ask Steve and the other Shunyata owners on WBF whether their observations are due to bad engineering principles?

Tell me how does one account for the wildly varying reactance of speakers in cable design?
 
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