Entreq Ground Boxes & Cables

Entreq Ground Boxes & Cables

UltraFast69 said:
Nordosts’ brand Q Kore is similar and provided an amazing change in sound for me. The unit provides two paths; distribution and components. I have only installed this on the component side, but will do the distribution side this upcoming weekend.

I can only assume Entreq is similar in nature, and if it does close to what Nordost accomplished, it was worth the investment. Louder with a clear soundstage. I am really focused on power products to the various gear and room treatments as I have heard the difference; now my newest part of the hobby.
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These might be worthwhile, after your system is working with the room, rather than against it - in other words, when you have optimized the acoustic wave-launch into the room and you are receiving it optimally at your seat. If not, then some part of your investment has been wasted, IMO.


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Jim Smith said:
These might be worthwhile, after your system is working with the room, rather than against it - in other words, when you have optimized the acoustic wave-launch into the room and you are receiving it optimally at your seat. If not, then some part of your investment has been wasted, IMO.


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That to me applies to most aspects of building a system, for best results I have learned that having the room treated for acoustics is key and actually much cheaper then buying gear. However, tradeoffs can enter into the equation; aesthetics, “must have nows”, education/experience and similar lead back to a reduction of optimization, but in the end, it’s all about you and what makes you happy in this CRAZY hobby.
 
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Jim Smith said:
These might be worthwhile, after your system is working with the room, rather than against it - in other words, when you have optimized the acoustic wave-launch into the room and you are receiving it optimally at your seat. If not, then some part of your investment has been wasted, IMO.


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Have you tried any of the Entreq products in your system, if not how can you make this statement?
 
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mauidan said:
Have you tried any of the Entreq products in your system, if not how can you make this statement?
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I said they might be helpful, but they cannot provide even 10% of the impact of getting the acoustic wave-launch optimized.

If you’ve not experienced the power of unlocking your music’s emotional engagement, I can understand your skepticism.

Rather than engage in the typical forum argument, you can have the last word. [emoji56]


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UltraFast69 said:
That to me applies to most aspects of building a system, for best results I have learned that having the room treated for acoustics is key and actually much cheaper then buying gear. However, tradeoffs can enter into the equation; aesthetics, “must have nows”, education/experience and similar lead back to a reduction of optimization, but in the end, it’s all about you and what makes you happy in this CRAZY hobby.
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I certainly agree that having the room treated for acoustics is helpful, especially when the proper location for seating position (always the first step) has been accomplished, and you are working to locate the optimum speaker location to create the best acoustic wave-launch.

Room treatments alone? Not so much...

IMO/IME, of course.


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Jim Smith said:
I said they might be helpful, but they cannot provide even 10% of the impact of getting the acoustic wave-launch optimized.

If you’ve not experienced the power of unlocking your music’s emotional engagement, I can understand your skepticism.

Rather than engage in the typical forum argument, you can have the last word. [emoji56]


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This isn't a question of having the last word.

You haven't heard the product.

I'm not worried if my system has had its "acoustic wave-launch optimized."

IMO, anyone that's familiar with the sound of their system should be able to tell if this product makes an improvement.
 
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Jim Smith said:
I said they might be helpful, but they cannot provide even 10% of the impact of getting the acoustic wave-launch optimized.

If you’ve not experienced the power of unlocking your music’s emotional engagement, I can understand your skepticism.
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+1.

these type products are not universally plug and play. it's always easy to be negative on things you don't understand.

I use both Entreq and Tripoint grounding products in my system. and it was not until I completed my room tuning that these products really made significant differences in performance. these products are not a band aid on room issues, they are enhancements and accents in a mature finely tuned system. they lower noise floors, enhance note development, add bass articulation, and increase degrees of musical cohesion.

if you feel you have your system sounding 'right'; then these grounding products can take you further.
 
Mr.Smith and Mike,

If I evaluated this product in a high-end headphone system, what does the "impact of getting the acoustic wave-launch optimized/room tuning," have to do with anything?
 
mauidan said:
Mr.Smith and Mike,

If I evaluated this product in a high-end headphone system, what does the "impact of getting the acoustic wave-launch optimized/room tuning," have to do with anything?
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having owned a high end headphone system a few years ago (the BHSE and Stax 009's along with some other stuff) no doubt grounding products improving source and amplifier performance would matter; but it would be a complete guess as to how much. obviously the whole 'wave launch' thing is solved with headphones up front.

room<-> system synergy problems and acoustic issues cloud the musical nuance benefits of grounding products, and headphones should eliminate that clouding, but without a soundstage to take advantage of, it's unknown whether the full benefit of improved grounding would be heard.

so my take would be of a somewhat diminished benefit with headphones, but any possibility is possible. you might hear more benefit depending on exactly what overall room-amp-speaker system you compared it to.
 
Mike Lavigne said:
having owned a high end headphone system a few years ago (the BHSE and Stax 009's along with some other stuff) no doubt grounding products improving source and amplifier performance would matter; but it would be a complete guess as to how much. obviously the whole 'wave launch' thing is solved with headphones up front.

room<-> system synergy problems and acoustic issues cloud the musical nuance benefits of grounding products, and headphones should eliminate that clouding, but without a soundstage to take advantage of, it's unknown whether the full benefit of improved grounding would be heard.

so my take would be of a somewhat diminished benefit with headphones, but any possibility is possible. you might hear more benefit depending on exactly what overall room-amp-speaker system you compared it to.
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I think Dan's response was a bit tongue in cheek. Why are we talking about "acoustic wave-launch" in a thread about Entreq Ground Boxes & Cables? They either make your system "better" or they don't and reducing or eliminating the effects of a "bad" ground scheme is independent of what Jim's business model is all about.
 
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Mike Lavigne said:
+1.

these type products are not universally plug and play. it's always easy to be negative on things you don't understand.

I use both Entreq and Tripoint grounding products in my system. and it was not until I completed my room tuning that these products really made significant differences in performance. these products are not a band aid on room issues, they are enhancements and accents in a mature finely tuned system. they lower noise floors, enhance note development, add bass articulation, and increase degrees of musical cohesion.

if you feel you have your system sounding 'right'; then these grounding products can take you further.
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It's also quite easy to be positive about things you don't understand-especially when other people in the herd tell you that you should be positive.
 
mep said:
I think Dan's response was a bit tongue in cheek. Why are we talking about "acoustic wave-launch" in a thread about Entreq Ground Boxes & Cables? They either make your system "better" or they don't and reducing or eliminating the effects of a "bad" ground scheme is independent of what Jim's business model is all about.
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I did not read Dan's comment that way. it seemed he was wondering whether Entreq grounding products related to headphone listening, since obviously Jim's 'wave launch' comment was not relevant to headphones. and as I had had considerable experience with higher end headphones and grounding I felt I had a contribution to make.

these grounding products are not about fixing bad ground schemes. they are about enhancing the degree of grounding's benefit to circuits. you take a circuit ground and provide it a more effective ground. it's about lowering EMI/RF in degrees, and calming power supplies.

a mature system working well in a room can be tweaked in various ways, whether it's better resonance control, or better power grid tweaks, or grounding enhancements. this is not to say any of these issues show that something is broken to begin with, only that there is more progress than can be made in certain areas......if your mind is open to these possibilities and you are in the mood to try them. and if you would rather leave well enough alone, then no worries.

and Jim's comments, which I completely agree with, is that tweaking the signal path of a system which has significant room-speaker set-up and acoustic issues is a bit chasing your tail as you don't know what is causing what. a certain maturity needs to be achieved in a system for deeper tweaking type benefits to be revealed. the lower the noise and higher the resolution of a system, the more ROI one gets from any tweaking. sure; Jim's business is the whole system set-up stuff, so he does know about the order of approach and priority pretty good. he was just trying to be helpful.
 
mep said:
I think Dan's response was a bit tongue in cheek. Why are we talking about "acoustic wave-launch" in a thread about Entreq Ground Boxes & Cables? They either make your system "better" or they don't and reducing or eliminating the effects of a "bad" ground scheme is independent of what Jim's business model is all about.
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Mark,

Here's an old thread with some good info on this subject:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/entreq-ground-conditioners-what-s-the-theory?highlight=Entreq

Pay close attention to atmasphere (Ralph)'s posts.
 
mauidan said:
Mark,

Here's an old thread with some good info on this subject:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/entreq-ground-conditioners-what-s-the-theory?highlight=Entreq

Pay close attention to atmasphere (Ralph)'s posts.
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Dan-I tried to slog through it all and I think I read everything that Ralph posted. I understand Ralph's position as it's grounded (pun intended) in science. I really need to bow out of this thread because I don't own these products and nor have I heard them in my system.
 
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