DSD...still crazy after all these years?

Jim...Totally agree there. Streaming subscription is the future. It is the most profitable recurring delivery model and it solves conventional copyright pirating issues.

In time, the library holders will coalesce towards accepting a standard long term that will make them the most money. It could be MQA, it may be something else.

But as I put forward in the other thread, digital downloading has a limited economic lifespan, especially one that is driven by the lossless argument of diminishing gains and bloated file sizes.
 
With my tepid digital curiosity, I have also found HQPlayer to sound the best PC player. Perhaps a future HQPlayer version will evolve to be able to accept and buffer server streams....

Have yet to play around with a Roon setup. Personally, I would not load up a NAS to function as a ROON Core Sever but rather have a dedicated box optimised for that purpose with its own disk subsystem which in turn pulls archival content from NAS as well as other sources.

Ideally, I'd like to see the entire chain delivered to the DAC via Ethernet and see the death of USB altogether.

My dream media player would be a standards aware Ethernet streamer. IMO, the scope of HiFi should be limited to the execution of audio sources and not engineered to re-process it.
 
I prefer to minimize the chain as much as possible. Therefore the PC that I have as my dedicated headless Roon server uses SSD to serve all the files to the DAC. It also has a HDD in it, but that is used mainly as backup and archive. Basically to backup the NAS, however I do not run any kind of extra software but instead manually backup important files as necessary. Since I use Remote Desktop to this machine I can remote in from my laptop whenever I want to backup files, and certainly any new music files get copied to the SSD sever disk and to the HDD archive disk. So far it handles my couple hundred DSD albums just fine in this manner.
 
A server of is needed to attain the best from your dac unless your dac is packaged with its own server. To play dsd well a server is a must but please can be played on a lesser server
for those who do not feel dsd is better hats correct but it is very differ to my brain in the fact it's more pleasing . Better is a term that is Missed used often . No upsampling com to dsd is also different than pure dsd but in some ways it approaches it . What ever method we use it must please us not the crowd but posting like here is good for giving us more ideas .
There are Dacs that do both well and it's the way to go for me
for Amnyone Who feels dsd has no virtue I think you have not heated it played back well yet or on a system that cannot produce its virtues
 
i'm not an expert, but i've read some of the Nyquist Theorem and the difficulties of error correction of digital formats and the problems that James Russell, Sony, Philips etc. had with making a "ready to use" consumer product from a very simple invention (actually done in the "60)

pcm, dsd, etc. is not only about an audio signal. timecode, errors and simply the fact that you can not have even seconds of only zeros on the disc even when there is a analog zero signal. it's very complex and complicated. ok, with streams you might not have disc errors, but what about the cable errors?

to manage all of that the storage code of the cd has about 130% overhead (yes!) and pcm and dsd have a lot of overhead too. (check sums, loops etc.)

see this philips patent info: http://www.google.com/patents/US20090287493 and dsd is not even based on the SACD...

I read somewhere from Kees Schouhammer (cd guru from philips) that there are >25 intakes on the cd code for the possible failures and correction.

Some of this stuff about that here: http://www.turing-machines.com/pdf/codes_for_mass_data2.pdf

non-oversampling - well, ask an expert about all pro-and-cons...it's not just a simple "yes" or "no"; yes has pros, and no has pros. so you decide.

and what about jitter? with ultra high sampling frequencies jitter becomes even harder to handle.

maybe some physicist can say more about this.

BTW Kees Schouhammer has a 1.000 $ sony mini audio set - no, he's not a hifi guy ;-)
 
Alrainbow said:
There are Dacs that do both well and it's the way to go for me
for Anyone Who feels dsd has no virtue I think you have not heated it played back well yet or on a system that cannot produce its virtues
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I don't believe DSD has "no virtue" or that it can't sound marvelous. I just don't believe that it has any inherent sonic benefits over quality PCM. As you indicate there are DAC's that do both well and if you can find the content you are looking for in the DSD format then go for a player that handles both.

We could flip your last sentence around and say maybe you haven't heard a PCM DAC that get the most out of the format. For me lack of interesting content and the need for either USB or proprietary connections keeps me from seriously considering investing in DSD.
 
Take your comment well. And I see your point well. I belong to some forums that are strictly analog. We all have our dwelling of how audio should sound
 
Hahahaha don't do that hat is much to learn from analog
we here in analog not digital. It's better wine in some ways and must be sampled to attain a sweet spot for it.
 
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