Don’t real audiophiles own their own media?

dminches said:
Significant maintenance. Go over to the Roon forums and see how many people are upset with the degregation of sound quality of Roon. If you don't use Roon you wouldn't know this. Check out how much work Taiko has done to compensate for Roon issues. This is not a minor thing.
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I have been using Roon for over 2 years and each update or almost every time there is an update, something may change. Sound wise, it is not significant enough to say OMG what have they done? I could care less how many are upset with some imagined degradation. I compare Roon to Qobuz every few weeks out of curiosity and while there are times the presentation diverges slightly, it is nothing to panic over. Hysteria is rampant these days in all kinds of matters. I think it may be fashionable to complain these days..

Roon forum on Facebook has as many opinions as there are members of the forum, which is to say a whole bunch. I don't have time to listen to complaints, I listen to music.
 
Digital does go bad. Physical discs degrade over time. Hard / Solid state drives degrade and lose information over time. They also fail completely. That's what the MTBF number means ... Mean Time Between Failures.

With good backup procedures, of course, this can be severely minimized. But how many people keep three copies of their digital files (usually the minimum recommended), with one of those copies being off-site in case of disaster (fire, flood, etc.)? How many people even keep one backup copy?
 
TheOctopus said:
Define "beats" streaming please.. What parameter are you using. Is there a gauge to measure the accuracy of sound? Your ears? Are they musically trained and pitch perfect? Do you play a musical instrument?

I can understand and would agree with "different" presentation. Sure, I like that round, analog bass myself from vinyl. It does not mean it is more accurate, it is just more pleasing to the ear. But then the different cartridges present the BASS quite differently? Is that not so? So what are we exactly comparing here? One has to go through the whole chain of events with analog starting from the cartridge and winding up at the speaker and one must take all kinds of D to A conversion and filters in DACs as well. So what is exactly accurate?

What is exactly beats the other then? A different presentation? You prefer that presentation? Sure, I agree. It is a personal preference but not necessarily accurate or somehow better. Just more pleasing to your own ears.
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Not different. Better. Better in nearly every category we use.

I know you won't agree, and that's fine. We can just agree to disagree. [emoji23]

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So does anyone want to quantify and place an actual number on the amount of physical media that should somehow rank the status of an audiophile? Otherwise this whole thread is pointless.

I am very selective in the performers I add to my Roon folders. It would be too easy to have a mess instead of a way to navigate your favorites. As much as I try to be conservative, between all the genres of music I like to listen to: So far I have 64,957 tracks, 2055 artists and 4993 albums in Roon between Tidal and Qobuz. There are all the artists I have been listening to all my audiophile life plus perhaps 35% more I have discovered since Roon. That is way more than the amount of CDs, SACD and vinyl I have ever owned. Now I can easily add another 5,000 or 50,000 artists on top... It won't cost me a dime more but I would be completely lost in that library with no logical way to navigate or chose who to listen to.

How about you? What is your physical media collection like?
 
2fastdriving said:
Not different. Better. Better in nearly every category we use.

I know you won't agree, and that's fine. We can just agree to disagree. [emoji23]

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Ok, sure we can disagree. Not like I never owned a nice table/arm/cart or have not heard $100k plus rigs in my life... It's fine. Do what turns you on and listen to what brings you pleasure. That is the whole point of being an audiophile, not how you get there and with which gear that can never be measured up for accuracy to the moment the music happened in a studio or a live concert hall far, far away, to begin with.
 
I'm yet to hear any vinyl that sounds better than what I currently have streaming Spotify Premium. Although my direct experience with vinyl is somewhat limited.
 
tino27 said:
Digital does go bad. Physical discs degrade over time. Hard / Solid state drives degrade and lose information over time. They also fail completely. That's what the MTBF number means ... Mean Time Between Failures.

With good backup procedures, of course, this can be severely minimized. But how many people keep three copies of their digital files (usually the minimum recommended), with one of those copies being off-site in case of disaster (fire, flood, etc.)? How many people even keep one backup copy?
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It's called cloud based backup. Yeah, it is a thing these days... LOL
 
dminches said:
Not so with digital? Do you use Roon? The sound quality of Roon has degraded over the years. Every time they update the software it sounds different. How do you deal with that? What about when Windows updates and causes a sound change? I think you are severely underestimating the complexity of digital music playback.
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I have been a Roon user for several years. Gone through several updates both with Roon and Windows. Never noticed any degradation in the sound. But I welcome any objective information that you can share to validate your experience.
 
TheOctopus said:
It's called cloud based backup. Yeah, it is a thing these days... LOL
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Yes, but even cloud-based solutions suffer digital degradation over time. They're just smart enough (hopefully) to monitor it and correct the storage medium before it becomes an issue.
 
tino27 said:
Digital does go bad. Physical discs degrade over time. Hard / Solid state drives degrade and lose information over time. They also fail completely. That's what the MTBF number means ... Mean Time Between Failures.

With good backup procedures, of course, this can be severely minimized. But how many people keep three copies of their digital files (usually the minimum recommended), with one of those copies being off-site in case of disaster (fire, flood, etc.)? How many people even keep one backup copy?
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Agree. Another good reason for choosing streaming because the user avoids dealing with discs degradation, multiple backups, etc.
 
nicoff said:
I have been a Roon user for several years. Gone through several updates both with Roon and Windows. Never noticed any degradation in the sound. But I welcome any objective information that you can share to validate your experience.
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If you really want to know read over the Taiko Audio thread at whatsbestforum. It is discussed in length there.
 
So now I have learned that $30k+ is a necessary expenditure on streaming? Fantastic!

I listen to a lot of music recorded in the 50s and 60s, some in the 70s. The limitations of those recordings are obvious but still very musically satisfying. It is Jazz after all and it is awesome! Now, when I purchase native high resolution recordings from places like Sound Liaison, DXD 352.8 captured with a high quality mic, minimal processing and as true to the source as possible, I also appreciate the huge difference there. So what? Music is unique and can be enjoyed over a transistor radio in the garage as well....

I like the high resolution and I enjoy the talent recorded on them but I love Jazz from the late 50s and 60s just as much with the lower quality and the captured recording quality masters back in those days which obviously pales by comparison... So do I need a $30k plus solution to streaming? Heck no... I'm perfectly fine with my current Bryston streamer. It sounds as good as the CD in the belly of my Luxman SACD player so mission accomplished.

But that is a highly personal decision and I certainly understand the desire to spend that kind of a coin on streaming to listen to favorite music. I guess... The audio hobby sure is fun if not crazy...
 
TheOctopus said:
It's called cloud based backup. Yeah, it is a thing these days... LOL
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Cloud simply means that your data is stored on someone else's computer. It is the latest catch phrase, but it is not the magical thing that is implied when they discuss cloud computing.

Internet not available, sorry your data is not either. Their mega system has a catastrophic failure... sorry, your data is lost... it has and it does happen.
 
I have about 28 15 ips open reel tapes. I have about 30 to 40 records I really like. I listen to digital streaming via Qobuz about 65% to 70% of the time. If I really want to chill and get deep into the music I play the vinyl. Its my best source. If I'm just doing my thing and enjoying music at the same time, I'm usually streaming. Its just my thing Dude. That's for you CCP:P
 
Randy Myers said:
Cloud simply means that your data is stored on someone else's computer. It is the latest catch phrase, but it is not the magical thing that is implied when they discuss cloud computing.

Internet not available, sorry your data is not either. Their mega system has a catastrophic failure... sorry, your data is lost... it has and it does happen.
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I have 2 complete backups of my 2000 ripped albums. 1 is at a friends house. I learned the hard way when I lost about 5 years of pictures in 2008. Always store off site or on the cloud.
 
brodricj said:
I'm yet to hear any vinyl that sounds better than what I currently have streaming Spotify Premium. Although my direct experience with vinyl is somewhat limited.
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I struggled to get my vinyl better than my digital. In a way I'm kind of pissed I surpassed it. Now I buy those stupid $50 or so 45 rpm album. They are fantastic, but so much money. Streaming is a way more economical way to go. And there really is little reason to try and top what streaming does with a well set up digital system.
 
I see another thread going down the tubes. Isn't it really about the music? Regardless if you have CD's LP's you stream or download, its a personal choice you have to enjoy music., That's it, no right or wrong here.
 
Being an audiophile isn’t just about the music. It’s also about the equipment, the contrast and comparison of the media, etc. Audiophile standards may be applied at all stages of music reproduction; the initial audio recording, the production process and the playback. How can someone who owns no media compare and contrast the very best “music” available? IMO, they simply can’t!
 
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