Don’t real audiophiles own their own media?
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The question was not if audiophiles stream or not. So your solution doesn't work. I mean no ill will in this statement.
The question was whether or not an audiophile will own media. The answer is "yes" they will because they enjoy doing comparisons of various sorts of playback which requires physical media, etc.
TMK, no one ever said audiophiles didn't stream at all. Some do stream too. But audiophiles search for the best playback possible. This search requires physical media. But that doesn't mean they don't enjoy all forms of playback, but merely that they enjoy some more than others. Just because an audiophile enjoys a vinyl version of a song the most, doesn't mean he wouldn't stream it at times ... (he may be doing some comparisons, he may be ill and doesn't feel like flipping vinyl that day, etc.).
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I don't know who gave you a mandate and put you in charge of defining what a "real audiophile" is. After you have everyone sorted out and put in the labeled boxes you want them to be placed in, are you going to hand out official audiophile cards to the "real audiophiles" with your signature? Do the first 100 audiophiles that qualify to meet your definition get serialized official audiophile cards with your signature in gold?
The people who are involved with audio and music don't need or want you to decide who is and isn't an audiophile. No one is craving your definition of what a "real audiophile" is. This is a classic exercise in mental masturbation.
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I wonder if MEP has an opinion on what an Audiophile is. So often when he participates he is tell other why he doesn't like what they said. Not really talking to the issue to shape the topic.
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I don't see MEP's posts. He on my "ignore" list for some of the same reasons you mentioned.
I enjoy interacting with people who at least attempt to deal with a topic tastefully. I may not always agree with them or they with me, but we at least can have civil conversations and learn from one another (iron sharpening iron). In my limited experience on this forum, most here are such type people. I learn a lot here.
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I simply don't care. This hobby has gotten along just fine for well over 60 years without having an "approved" definition of what an audiophile is. And yeah, if you come on forums I participate on and make up stories and constantly mislead people on events, I will express my opinion about that.
Kingrex
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OMG so cool, there is actually an Ignore list. I like to limit the junk mail that comes to my inbox. Thanks
And also thank you to Mike for that one.
Of course not.
opcorn:If they hear only headphones, they are not true audiophiles.
An audiophile must have a system.
And whoever listens in nearfield is halfway there!
Yes you can. This is THE SEARCH.
Your will know when you hear it.
Your system will tell you.
Good idea. :congrats:
Mike could provide these “visit cards” for the members of this forum (*).
But for which? :audiophile:
(*) with special perks and discounts etc. :happy:
Kingrex
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I thought it was a cool idea too. Under your status of Junior, Senior etc. a big "Audiophile", in bold, for true believers. What do you know, MEP accidentally had something positive to contribute.
...a big "Audiophile", in bold, for true believers.
Mandatory! :scholar:
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Last I checked headphones use some type source. So, the argument still holds true; Audiophiles enjoy doing comparisons of various sorts of playback which requires physical media, etc.
TMK, no one ever said audiophiles didn't stream at all. Some do stream too. But audiophiles search for the best playback possible. This search requires physical media. But that doesn't mean they don't enjoy all forms of playback, but merely that they enjoy some more than others. Just because an audiophile enjoys a vinyl version of a song the most, doesn't mean he wouldn't stream it at times ... (he may be doing some comparisons, he may be ill and doesn't feel like flipping vinyl that day, etc.).
Better begin with a “library card” because numerous individuals didn’t read and reply to the OP. Instead they are making up things as they go along and replying to that.
Unfortunately many here claim to be an audiophile and yet can’t give a clear true complete definition of what that is fearing that they will find out they aren’t one. Pretty sad when someone is willing to sidestep the truth for a title they can’t even define.
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Oh no! No one told the studio engineers about headphones not being an audiophile grade tool! OMG, those musicians and recording engineers, everyone is using them, how can the music ever sound right??? Oh that's right, recording engineers are not even real audiophiles, they don't always use fancy audio cables for the hundreds of feet of mixing console wires and patch cords. They often use those very budget studio monitors instead of "REAL SPEAKERS". Those guys only make the music the audiophiles like to listen to, they don't really have a clue about anything... 
Randy Myers
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Don't know what is what, but I enjoy the heck out of my Abyss headphones!
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I think I have tinnitus in my left ear from headphones. During the 90s I used to love blasting music in my headphones. Other than that, they did sound great.
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Perhaps it is being able to listen to music that is free from speaker to room interaction coloration...
… Oh that's right, recording engineers are not even real audiophiles, they don't always use fancy audio cables for the hundreds of feet of mixing console wires and patch cords. They often use those very budget studio monitors instead of "REAL SPEAKERS". Those guys only make the music the audiophiles like to listen to, they don't really have a clue about anything...
Joking, you got it right.
That is why some recordings are so poor.
Sound technicians have also evolved, and proof of this are many of today's excellent recordings. As for the use of certain materials in the professional audio that supposedly has more than enough quality, I do not support this myth. I already had around these cheap cables used in the professional environment and that's when I realized why live AMPLIFIED sound is almost always a big mess with everything mixed up. We see the pianist playing but only hear the electric guitars...
Joking you are right again
See the video below. With phones you can "smell" the air moving but only in the room you can "feel" the real sensation of the air moving.
Phones can give you an idea of the real thing, but they can´t be the ultimate goal en audio.
Usher2 on Vimeo
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I enjoy my headphones as well Randy.
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Re: Don't real audiophiles own their own media?
Spock thank you for quoting the Multi-Armed one otherwise I would have never seen that he disproved his own point.
Recording engineers have to be very knowledgeable across a wide variety of music equipment, both analogue and digital. They can't do their job properly without the knowledge and experience of physical media.
So, Audiophiles do use media which is what the OP is about.
Now that we have had a moment of truth we return to the regularly scheduled Multi-Armed one's & Cos. audio meltdowns: mocking, rantings and ravings, etc. - from those that fear the truth.
A Basic Overview of the Field of Recording Engineering
Expert Mastering Engineers Sound Off on Using Headphones for Audio Mastering
Spock thank you for quoting the Multi-Armed one otherwise I would have never seen that he disproved his own point.
Recording engineers have to be very knowledgeable across a wide variety of music equipment, both analogue and digital. They can't do their job properly without the knowledge and experience of physical media.
So, Audiophiles do use media which is what the OP is about.
Now that we have had a moment of truth we return to the regularly scheduled Multi-Armed one's & Cos. audio meltdowns: mocking, rantings and ravings, etc. - from those that fear the truth.
A Basic Overview of the Field of Recording Engineering
Expert Mastering Engineers Sound Off on Using Headphones for Audio Mastering
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Not really, I also love listening to music through my very pedestrian Magnepan speakers. The headphones are just dam good!
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Joking, you got it right.
That is why some recordings are so poor.
Sound technicians have also evolved, and proof of this are many of today's excellent recordings. As for the use of certain materials in the professional audio that supposedly has more than enough quality, I do not support this myth. I already had around these cheap cables used in the professional environment and that's when I realized why live AMPLIFIED sound is almost always a big mess with everything mixed up. We see the pianist playing but only hear the electric guitars...
Joking you are right again
See the video below. With phones you can "smell" the air moving but only in the room you can "feel" the real sensation of the air moving.
Phones can give you an idea of the real thing, but they can´t be the ultimate goal en audio.
Usher2 on Vimeo
Spock, a theater is a different experience all together. Tying visual, audible and even physical impact from a theater (SPL levels and visceral bass that is felt in the body) is an exciting but a very different "listening" experience. In fact one pays less attention to music with other sense being involved. I used to love watching Bluray concerts in my theater as well. It was an all Wilson speaker/D'Agostino amplification with a total custom ASC treatment 18x30 room. JL Audio Fathom F212 dual 12" subs with 3600 watts of power puts a new definition on bass impact and what Iron Man, Thor, or B.B.King performing LIVE is. Awesome but headphones are for an intimate, musical experience....
As to the poor recordings, the studios were more concerned with selling the music to the masses, not audiophiles. For the masses, the dynamic range compressed, loudness mastered music sounds better on the very limited form of playback systems found in car stereos and other small appliances that can play music and are typical of the non-audiophile environment.