voxshall
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I'm not surprised nothing is missing for you Katoomer. I used to own a Thorens TD125 and have heard the Masseto/Cortese on the O96's and it was all great stuff. I will get a SET amp, for an alternative flavour one day.
Thank you both for your kind words.
To carry on with the sixth reason the Bass is not the tightest, fastest, punchiest bass, but its got texture and body and it blooms in a way that I prefer. It has more substance to it some how.
Seventh reason I love these speakers is the fact they boogie. They get my feet tapping away. I always feel like dancing when I am listening to them. They connect me to the rhythm of the music. I had the privilege of playing with some extremely gifted drummers in my early days and find that a good drummer is something I am very sensitive to when listening to live music. I seem to have this same appreciation for good drummers when listening to the O96's, which is completely missing when listening to many other speakers. This boogie factor is a big one. I should have put it up the top.
Eighth - I like the way they look. Being low to the ground gives an illusion of massive space above them in the room. The black recessed stand gives the illusion they are floating. I prefer the look of the T&F Pharaohs when they both have the grills on, as the round shape contrasts with the box, but I never have the grills on, so that doesn't matter. The lace walnut veneer polished to glass is incredible. New visitors say "Wow I love your speakers" when they walk into the room for the first time more often than not. Before with previous setups the comment was always "Wow those are some big speakers".
Overall I just find this system so enjoyable. It has completely cured my need to upgrade. Not that I wouldn't upgrade if opportunities came up, an A23 T2 SUT over the standard SUT here or moving up the Shindo preamp line there. But I don't obsess about chasing the next improvement. I can take it or leave it. Because this system has me enjoying the musical event rather than chasing better sound, I don't feel like I'm missing out. Sure comparing a Shindo Petrus to my preamp in an A/B comparison would bring up improvements, but I am emotionally moved by my system already and thats just fine with me.
Thanks Keith, did you use the HB with the Zu speakers, what was the sensitivity and how big was the room? I'm interested to know the amps limits. I do love the Haut Brion. I've loved all the Shindo amps I have heard, Cortese, Montille and Lagrange wish I could have them all.
I'm not surprised nothing is missing for you Katoomer. I used to own a Thorens TD125 and have heard the Masseto/Cortese on the O96's and it was all great stuff. I will get a SET amp, for an alternative flavour one day.
My former room was quite large at 24' x 25' x 9'. The Zus I had at the time were 100db, but only 6 ohms (and had multiple full range drivers + sub). I think the latter part gave the HB difficulty, as it has a 16ohm secondary winding. Just not dynamic enough in my room. I preferred the HB sound much compared with the Montille- despite all the rave reviews. To be fair, JH recommended monoblocks before I purchased the HB, but I couldn't afford them at the time.
I'm not the best to say as I only had the 88's for a short time at home a year back and I'm no expert. I'm sure others will come in with better views. But there seems to be similarities between the two. They both sound coherent and together and both can draw you into the music. The treble sounds similar between the two, not harsh yet still full of detail. The 88's had more of a pin point image and the sound stage was presented behind the speakers where the O96's throw the sound in front of the speakers. The O96's have a much bigger sound and the bass is a little different. The O96 sound is built on a solid foundation of bass that the 88's maybe lacking a little. In short I loved them both and could easily have wonderful experiences listening to the Gibbon 88's.
I own both the Super 8's and the O/96. side by side in the same room of course the O/s are bigger , more solid and really fill the room. They are similar in tone and texture. You are comparing a small slim speaker that sold for 4K with a wide big speaker that sells for 12K. Use them for their intended purpose in a proper room and you will not be disappointed with either.How to the 0/96's compare to the 8's or 9's.
I also own both the Super 8 and O/96 and I agree with the comments above. The two are similar in that both capture the flow of music very well. The share the same natural tone, which in particular shows in the a realism to drums. The Super 8 is leaner and quicker sounding, with slightly more lit up top end. The O/96 are fuller, richer, with a lot more detail than the Super 8 are able to capture. I also agree with the comments on soundstage - the O/96 present an impressive wall of sound projected in front of the speaker, while the Super 8 image in a bit more of a traditional sense.
When I have heard the o'96's the soundstage was layered. It was not projected in front of the speakers only. The soundstage had depth. However I think soundstage is drastically influenced by the room.
I've never heard the sound projected in front of the O/96.
If I'm not mistaken, I think at least two people on this thread has said they image in front of the speakers and I'm just trying to understand what that means.
What do mean when you say they "present an impressive wall of sound projected in front of the speaker?" Do these speakers still have a depth to the soundstage or is the soundstage inverted and everything is happening out in front of the speakers?
When I say wall of sound, I mean that the O/96 project a much denser and much larger image. The 0/96 still have the usual layering of the soundstage, more like 3rd row of the concert hall presentation. in comparison the Super 8 are more like row 30, in line with more traditional audiophile sound.
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Hmm, with all the drastically different observations on these speakers, I'd bet the different rooms and systems have a lot to do with what was heard.