Devialet's new speaker - The Phantom

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I'm a devialet fan and owner, but not digging this thing at all. I for one do care about the cosmetics and this has zero chance of replacing my system. I also strongly suspect the performance won't match the hype. We'll see.....
 
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I'm a devialet fan and owner, but not digging this thing at all. I for one do care about the cosmetics and this has zero chance of replacing my system. I also strongly suspect the performance won't match the hype. We'll see.....

Resistance is futile...you WILL be assimilated.
 
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Looks like a Star Wars Jedi training orb.

Dunno, they look more like Tye fighters, no? LoL

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Or less angry Oblivion probe?

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The Phantom sounded quite amazing. They were set up right beside a hotel armoire flanking a TV, typical of what a normal hotel suite layout would be with speakers on either side. Not optimized for audio like most of us would. Music was streamed from a Mac laptop. I was unfamiliar with the music, but the sound was full range, very punchy, with good imaging. What I didn't hear was a tall, big soundstage with the kind of depth of image we are use to with speakers in optimized locations. Then again, I think a large number of buyers will probably be installing these close to the wall.

Soundstage magazine did a preview and I agree largely with their sonic assessment. I don't think the Phantoms will replace great speakers sonically, but for a buyer looking for a simplified system with much better sound than a typical, small amplified speaker, this might be the ticket.

One thing I was hoping to verify was the objective claim that the Phantom has frequency response from 20Hz to 20KHz +/- 0.5 dB! Could not verify that with the music playing. If true, that is certainly impressive.
 
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One thing I was hoping to verify was the objective claim that the Phantom has frequency response from 20Hz to 20KHz +/- 0.5 dB! Could not verify that with the music playing. If true, that is certainly impressive.
I think I have even read 16 Hz! Which would be nothing less than amazing!
 
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keep the updates coming on these things, I've got a perfect usage for them... Might make myself the guinea pig..
 
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One thing I was hoping to verify was the objective claim that the Phantom has frequency response from 20Hz to 20KHz +/- 0.5 dB! Could not verify that with the music playing. If true, that is certainly impressive.

It is not difficult to get these performances with any active DSP system. You are concentrating on the wrong parameters.
 
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LVB,

What parameters do you suggest to concentrate on?
 
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It is not difficult to get these performances with any active DSP system. You are concentrating on the wrong parameters.

You might be right, but perhaps you can show me some examples of speakers this small that make these claims?
Devialet - 20Hz to 20kHz =/- 0.5dB
16 Hz to 25kHz =/- 2dB

Note I am not discussing sonic qualities, which are subjective. I'm strictly interested in the objective parameters that can be measured and verified.

As an example, Meridian's DSP5200 which is a much larger speaker claims 35Hz to 20KHz within 3 dB or +/- 1.5dB

Also wish Devialet supplied power response specs...
 
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There are pro gear that will meet these spaces, or close to it (no one in his right mind will design a 3 way were the woofer will play 16Hz, and also part of the midrange - there is a reason why one does not play a sub above 100Hz).
The question is at what cost do you meet these specs? Especially, in distortion and linearity. There are no free meals here. In order to produce 20Hz from such a small box/driver, you need a massive amount of power. As noted in some reviews of the D-Premier, "sustained high-power operation into an impedance of 4 ohms or below is best avoided" (I believe SAM was created to "limit" but not correct these issues). All I am saying is that specifying freq. tells you very little about the performance, especially if it is DSP controlled.
 
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"Phantom won the CES 2015 EDITORS’ CHOICE AWARD in USA Today for its patented acoustic engineering technologies.

Devialet is proud to be the winner among 20,000 new product announcements at the CES this year!

Learn more on devialet.com"
 
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Very cool Dan. They were up against a lot of products.

Hats off to Devialet for stepping outside the box.
 
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Agreed, seems like a really innovative product..
 
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LVB,

Like you I was sceptical, which is why I posted the specs. Devialet says "zero distortion" on their landing page so I assume again this is objective and verifiable.

I agree with most of your points, except that I think Devialet might have achieved things that others haven't done to date. I saw the engineering, the amount of R&D that has gone into this "little" speaker. I don't think I've ever seen engineering like this save for really high tech industries. For example, they needed a gasket to be thinner than they had found, yet be very strong and resilient. The company looked outside the industry to the automotive world and worked with people specializing in transmissions, clutches etc. Miniaturizing the ADH technology takes great effort, knowledge and cost. Heat evacuation. Developing pistonic drivers that don't bend due to high pressure etc.

Re the low power stability, one of the benefits of an active speaker is the manufacturer has prior knowledge of the load and characteristics of the drivers. Not the same as driving speakers that might drop down into 2 ohms.

Your statement about "no one in their right mind..." is precisely one of the reasons I'm curious. Basic acoustic engineering knowledge has been around for a long time. Again, disregarding the subjective observations, the team at Devialet are not dumb, and would certainly know the "traditional" wisdom of crossing over at appropriate frequencies. Before anyone accuses me of being a fanboy, I am actually quite sceptical. My engineering background coupled with years of enjoying some of the finest speakers, and having talked with many respected designers, naturally lead me to be sceptical when such claims are made.

Having said all the above, I am willing to be swayed because so far, Devialet has done many things that no one single audio company has achieved. DSP is not a cure all as you implied. There is almost always a trade-off. One very interesting paper I read from Grimm Audio. You can read about the problems with DSP off axis:
http://www.grimmaudio.com/site/assets/files/1088/speakers.pdf

I reiterate my interest due to the claimed specs. Strictly from a technical perspective, the Phantom claims to have achieved frequency response at "zero distortion" out of a small box beyond anything I've seen. If you can point out other speakers that claim the same, I would be very interested in knowing how they achieved it and who they are. Also, claimed tolerance of +/- 3dB is common. Tolerance of +/- 0.5dB throughout the audio band is extremely rare, REGARDLESS of size or cost. I am not saying other parameters are not as important, or EVEN more important. I'm simply stating that this is phenomenal if achieved by such as small box. Narrowing the tolerance increases the difficulty exponentially.
 
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Yes Adrian,

It looks very interesting indeed. No less of a challenge will be market positioning, as they seem intent on carving out a niche for themselves , way above Sonos, considerably above Bose, significantly above B&O, but not quite extreme high end. Somehow it resembles ultra-lifestyle in outlook, but with the uniqueness and pricing it seems they are gearing up for attainability and VOLUME sales. Definitely not a "boutique" product.
 
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