DEQX Mate

I have helped a friend set up a previous version of this product. Overall its very good, helped him a great deal with problems he couldn't solve any other way. My advice to anyone considering this is to do everything you can with room treatments & speaker placements before you start down this road. It can give improvements you won't get any other way. But nothing is free, the more eq, the more it shows up in other ways.

Mike if you get serious about this feel free to PM me as always.
 
That's what I was afraid of. I was thinking of integrating a pair of subs, but my experience in the past has been - use DSP or don't bother. The DSP with JL audio is ok, but was kind of half assed when I had my F110's. It smooths out the sub integration but does little to blend with the mains. REL's can be a nightmare. I've owned REL's and they were easier, but still tricky. Reading the reviews on the 528SE I see that most of the review is written on the setup (read: integration). My experiences with the MEN220 were good, but in the end, you give up something to gain a little.


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Ok, jumping on my soapbox for a second. Most audiophiles don't have accurate (measured flat) bass. Over the years, you become very accustomed to the bass you get from small rooms with all the assorted dips, the 10db 100-80Hz hump etc. That's not really all bad. When you listen to live music, bass response is all over the place too, depending on venue and seating. Here is the key, although it people think they want it, most audiophiles DON"T want flat bass. Flat bass, sounds much leaner than their used to. So my advice to anyone that asks is: 1) take care of the gross distortions best you can (ie the 100 hz hump) through room treatments and speaker placement, 2) use subwoofers at the lowest possible crossover frequency with as little eq as possible, 3) don't go to any extraordinary efforts beyond that.

Bottom line, you'll never get to that mythical flat response and even if you could, probably wouldn't like it if you got it
 
Would you suggest a couple of REL's - which aren't technically subwoofers but considered more "sub-bass".
 
Your choice Mike, I like Rel because you can cross them over very low and roll them off steep. The effects of integration and digital eq are much less an issue at 40Hz than at 80 Hz. But this assumes you can get a good 40 Hz in room response from your mains. You'd have to measure.... Also please remember I'm hardly familiar with all the options out there. It's like everything else in this hobby get the best info you can, bring home what you think may work, make sure you have a trap door in case it doesn't.
 
Mike, I have heard a system that uses DEQX & was very impressed. I had previously heard a lot of music in the same room before & upon walking into the room with the DEQX processor I noticed the change immediately. The change was very good.
From what I can gather from people who have used the old model, of which I haven't heard, to the newer of now, the new is a step up in performance, not to mention the capabilities as in pre/dac etc, then it becomes one of if not the bargains of audio!!!!!
I was always of the opinion that these type of things are a stop-gap. After hearing the current DEQX in action that is no longer applicable, not to be over looked in my opinion.
 
Thanks Kev...do you remember what subs your friend was using?
 
I think we need to be careful to make a distinction here between dsp designed speakers vs dsp correction in the field. There are some very promising products out there using dsp crossovers, like JBL M2 for example. IMHO the odds of success are much higher in the hands of a manufacturer. Using products like the deqx on products not designed for it is a whole differrent kettle of fish. I should probably add that Avantgarde has solved some its bass integration issues to an extent I would not have believed possible by using this same technology. Enough so to make me a buyer for a second go round.
 
Mike, You mght want to do some research on the WB Torus subs. I purchased one 2 years ago after emailing back and forth with Mikey Fremer. He told me he heard an all MBL system in Sweeden with 2 of them and stated it was the best he had ever heard the MBL's sound. I use mine with MBL 101E's mkii, Vac monos, and MBS SIg dac iv with vol control direct to amps and to my ears it is the best my room has ever sounded.
 
zagfan said:
Mike, You mght want to do some research on the WB Torus subs. I purchased one 2 years ago after emailing back and forth with Mikey Fremer. He told me he heard an all MBL system in Sweeden with 2 of them and stated it was the best he had ever heard the MBL's sound. I use mine with MBL 101E's mkii, Vac monos, and MBS SIg dac iv with vol control direct to amps and to my ears it is the best my room has ever sounded.
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Hi zagfan, can you do a post in the systems sub-forum/thread with lots of pics please.
 
Spoke to the good folks at Wilson Benesch today. Two of these babies would run me $22k.


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IMHO, WB Torus aren't what you're looking for anyway Mike. They have their positives, don't excite rooms in the same way as traditional subs but they also don't have real subwoofer output in the pant's flapping way. In the setup I heard, no real output below 30 hz. WB Torus much better suited for systems where the crossover is higher 80-100 Hz.
 
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IMHO, WB Torus aren't what you're looking for anyway Mike. They have their positives, don't excite rooms in the same way as traditional subs but they also don't have real subwoofer output in the pant's flapping way. In the setup I heard, no real output below 30 hz. WB Torus much better suited for systems where the crossover is higher 80-100 Hz.
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You're right that they aren't just another home theatre sub. I am interested in what you think Mike does need as opposed to what he doesn't?
 
lol, not trying to tweak anyone. WB Torus and Wilson Alexia is not a match I'd make.... that's all I meant.... Mike's a big boy, bought PLENTY of HiFi long before I've been around.
 
Oh yeah - I am! :)

The more I listen and the more people come over and listen - the more I realize I don't needs subs or room correction. I've corrected the room, with a lot of help - mostly from Jeff at AV solutions.

I was lucky to have Sandman (Howard) and George over today. I think they will both agree that the bass has been tamed and the room is sounding better than ever.

Oh...and while they were here today, the Ken Lau Power Supply for the Lumin showed up. We had fun listening to it. After it breaks in, I'll report back -
but Howard and George and I heard immediate differences. Wider soundstage. Tighter bass. More solid mids.
 
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