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[kennyb123]

If you have upgraded your component's power supply with a linear power supply then using one of our more expensive NR power cords "may" give you better performance. But in my opinion, the V14 Digital is more than capable of giving you a big leap in performance. Save your power cable budget for the pre-amplifier, amplifier or DAC.

Will do - thank you for addressing that case.

 

[kennyb123]

Some people have reported this elsewhere - that a Delta v2 will outperform an Alpha v1 from the prior gen. To put this in perspective, the Alpha v1 sold for ~$1500 and the Delta v2 sells for $998. So although the price of each model has risen from the prior gen, the performance to price ratio has actually gone up substantially. More performance for less money. And this across the model line. An Alpha v2 NR will outperform a Sigma v1 NR with the older Sigma valued at $3K with the new Alpha v2 at $2k. We are very happy with the performance we have been able to extract from the new generation and are proud that we can improve performance while reducing the equivalent price.

My Denali v1 is powered by an Alpha HC from the wall. I had been thinking to replace it with an Alpha XC, but it sounds like I should give consideration to the Delta XC. My Denali v1 is only providing power to source components.

My amp is powered from a 2nd dedicated circuit using an Alpha HC. The plan there had been Alpha NR v2. But for the price of the Alpha NR v2, I could get both a Delta NR v2 and Delta XC and still have improved upon both my Alpha HCs.

 

[CGabriel]

My Denali v1 is powered by an Alpha HC from the wall. I had been thinking to replace it with an Alpha XC, but it sounds like I should give consideration to the Delta XC. My Denali v1 is only providing power to source components.

The Delta v2 is an incredible cable. I don't personally like big fat cables, so I use the Delta v2 in my personal home audio system. The Delta is VERY flexible and easy to work with. And it has the VTX-Ag conductors and the CopperCONN connectors. So the sonics are very similar to the more expensive Reference cables.

Delta v2 XC is a good match for the Denali D6000/T, Delta D6 or Alpha A12 power conditioners. If you had a Denali 6000 v2 then I would suggest an Alpha v2 XC if the budget permitted.

My amp is powered from a 2nd dedicated circuit using an Alpha HC. The plan there had been Alpha NR v2. But for the price of the Alpha NR v2, I could get both a Delta NR v2 and Delta XC and still have improved upon both my Alpha HCs.

Yes, that's a good plan and the improvement will be quite profound.

 

[kennyb123]

I don't personally like big fat cables, so I use the Delta v2 in my personal home audio system.

I wouldn’t have expected that the guy who designs big fat cables doesn’t like big fat cables.

Yes, that's a good plan and the improvement will be quite profound.

Thanks again for weighing in - tremendously helpful. While much of the focus lately has been on ascending to new heights with the Everest, nice to know that getting great sound down here in the valley doesn’t cost as much as it used to. Thank you for that.

 

[CGabriel]

I wouldn’t have expected that the guy who designs big fat cables doesn’t like big fat cables.

That’s why I work very hard to make sure they are exceeding flexible for their size.

 

[nonesup]

Well then, taking information from several of Caelin's posts, the recommendations could be as follows:


Fully analog devices: NR cables


Digital devices with an analog section, such as DACs: NR Cables


Fully digital devices with a Linear PSU: NR Cables


Fully digital devices with a Switched PSU: Venom V14 Digital.


This now does have more logical IMO. I never thought that a fully digital device like a Taiko Extreme, with a very robust power supply and that according to its designer has, punctually large current demands, would be better with a V14D than with a Sigma NR and in several statements, it was never mentioned the PSU type, it was just talking about fully digital devices.

 

[still-one]

A Nice effort by Shunyata of cleaning up their web-site with current information. Great job Shunyata Team.

 

[brodricj]

Yeah, but the link from the Venom HC v2 Custom "quick view" page to the "visit the Venom HC custom page" is broken.

 

[kennyb123]

Although you can spend more money on one of our more expensive NR power cords, I recommend the Venom V14 Digital (US$250) for these type of devices. There are several people that have done the comparisons and they usually agree with my perspective on this. The Venom V14 Digital has a different NR filter than the Venom NR V12/V10 which are suited to audio components. The V14 Digital filter has a greater ability to reduce "impulse noise" which is typical from SMPSs that are commonly used in computers, monitors and ethernet switches. If you have upgraded your component's power supply with a linear power supply then using one of our more expensive NR power cords "may" give you better performance. But in my opinion, the V14 Digital is more than capable of giving you a big leap in performance. Save your power cable budget for the pre-amplifier, amplifier or DAC.

I was finally able to compare a NR V12 to a V14 Digital on my Chord Hugo M-Scaler (HMS). The HMS is powered by a Farad Super3, which gets a zone to itself on my Denali V1. The winner was the V14 Digital as it could be clearly heard that its different filter was more effective at reducing noise. I have to admit that I was taken aback by the improvement as I’m just not accustomed to finding that a power cord at this price point can make such a difference. So you can add me to the list of those who agree with you on this. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts here with us.

 

[RLF]

Hey Jim, here's some info/suggestions for your list above that should be helpful in your considerations:

Denali to Everest – YES. Denali to Everest is a significant upgrade. Knowing you and your system, I would consider this is a "must-upgrade."

Depending on your budget, use an Omega XC or Simga XC to power Everest from the wall receptacle.

Original Alpha NR Vivaldi DAC to ? Alpha NRv2 or Sigma NRv2
Original Alpha Digital to dCS Upsampler to ? Venom V14D Digital, believe it or not. This cable should be for powering any differences that remain entirely in the digital domain (i.e., no conversion to analog)
Current Analysis Plus to dCS clock to ? Also Venom V14D Digital.

Hope this helps and feel free to reach out via PM if you want to discuss on the phone.

Cheers, mate.

I own 3 Denali’s with Sigma Sigma NR power cords. In my main reference 2 channel system, the Everest + Omega XC proved to be no less than a major upgrade. If you have the cash, it is worth the upgrade, IMO in a highly resolving system.
OTOH, the Denali 6000 v2 is a super product and I use it in my home theater system in my main home in addition to the Triton v3 + Typhon NR. Of course a money back guarantee is a must since every system is different. Just my 2 cents.

 

[CGabriel]

Jim, you sent me a private email question which I have tried to respond to several times now and keep getting some king of "token error". So, I am just going to answer your question here since it does not contain any private information.

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Caelin
Just a quick follow up to our correspondence from the other day.

Based on your comments I changed my original order to Sigma XC from Alpha XC.

Shortly I will be placing a order for a Sigma v2 NR cable for my DAC.

My question is what improvements did you make in the Denali v2 NR cables that would place them above my current Alpha NR and Alpha Digital cables that I had initially planned on using on the Vivaldi Upsampler and Clock?

Jim

Jim I responded to this message but it looks like the system ate my response :weird: some kind of token error. Whatever that means.

I am assuming that you meant Delta v2 NR from above??

If so, then yes I would put the Delta v2 above both the Alpha (v1) NR and the Alpha Digital. I recommended the Delta to save some money so that you could go with the Sigma v2 XC on the Everest which I consider to be very important. Also, the purely digital devices are less sensitive to quality of the cables (clock and upsampler) so the Delta should be fine for those applications. Is the Alpha v2 or Sigma v2 better, of course. But I would rather you spend the extra money saved from the Delta v2 cables on the DAC. Get the best you can afford for the DAC. It will really make a difference.

What improvements are in the v2 cables? VTX-Ag wiring is the biggest and most fundamental difference. A center core of pure silver for transit speed and clarity with a concentric surround of OFE copper for power and tonal richness. The best of silver and of copper without the weaknesses of either.

Then, although the Delta is the least expensive in the "Reference Line" it still gets all the good features including the CopperCONN connectors. Pure OFE copper contacts with a flash of nickel to protect from corrosion. Just putting CopperCONN connectors on any cable will improve its performance to the next model level all by itself.

Then, the v2 NR filters have been improved. The measured noise reduction is the same but the sonic qualities have been improved. Cleaner, more pure and more clarity.

Caelin