Chops' Current System Pics ....

Being a digital guy, I don't understand why people bother with analog at all. I'm yet to hear any recording on vinyl that excites me enough to take much notice. Although the new Grandioso T1 does excite me on pure eye candy value alone. And I do like the photographic images of the turntable hardware posted in this topic.

Until you’ve truly heard an AAA pressing, it might not be clear. Take for example, the album Mike played for me on his new Kuzma Stabi R - Lee Morgan, Cornbread. This pressing was from the master tapes. It was beautifully pressed. A 1958 recording that sounded like Lee was right in the room.

I love my digital, don’t get me wrong, but when vinyl is done right, there is no going back.

Digital done right is like going to a really good, all-you-can-eat buffet. Analog done right is like going to a 3 star Michelin restaurant.

Even for the measurement crowd, the vinyl measures better in terms of DR.

Magic Vinyl vs Digital – What is the best edition of an album, vinyl, cassette, digital (CD, SACD, Streaming), in stereo, 5.1, Dolby Atmos or 360 RA? Who has never asked this question?


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Thank you, Dave. It's getting there quickly! Also forgot to add that I put in a couple of fresh drops of oil in the spindle bearing. :D

Mike, I couldn't have said it any better.

I want to start acquiring are some 1/2 speed mastered LPs as well as 45 rpm LPs. As it is, I prefer original pressings over new "remastered" releases. The new remastered LPs just don't sound as good as the originals that I've found.
 
The new cart came in and I have it up and running. I only have about 2 hours on it, but it already sounds better than all of the other carts combined. I hear the break-in period is around 50 hours, so it can only get better. Right now, it's fuller, more detailed, snappier, punchier, and just cleaner sounding with very little to no surface noise.

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Wow!!!

It all looks good, bet it sounds even better.

In case you don't, I might suggest removing that dust cover whenever you are using the tt.
 
Wow!!!

It all looks good, bet it sounds even better.

In case you don't, I might suggest removing that dust cover whenever you are using the tt.

Thank you, Jim.

Funny you should say that, because I did just that today, removed the cover. And for the first time with any of the systems I've had over the years, with this system, I actually heard a noticeable difference.
 
Well, curiosity got the best of me, and I decided to do another experiment. I played the "A" side of each album listed below. These are very familiar albums to me, and I have already played them all at least twice this past week alone, not including today. These were played with the AT-OC9XSL and Nasotec headshell. After I played these four albums (A-side only) back to back, I went to work on swapping the AT cart over to the stock Technics headshell and making the alignment with the stock Technics overhang tool.

Swing Out Sister - It's Better To Travel
Eurythmics - Savage
U2 - Joshua Tree
Eastern Airlines - Images In Flight (mono)

Playing these four albums again now with the AT cart mounted on the Technics headshell revealed a few things. Bass has considerably more definition, detail and impact. Midrange and vocals are more precise and spacious. The treble is very clean and polished. Stage depth has increased with a natural amount of space around instruments and singers. And to top it all off, there's still zero IGD anywhere on any of the albums.

Tonality-wise, everything holds true for the mono Eastern Airlines album. The center image is spot on with even a sense of depth within the recording.

In short, even though the Nasotec swivel headshell showed great improvements with the Ortofon and Sumiko carts over the stock Technics headshell, the exact opposite is true when it comes to the AT cart. This cart is a much better match to the Technics cart. With the AT-OC9XSL / Nasotec headshell combo, I always got a slight low rumble during very quiet passages and in between tracks. And in direct comparison to the Technics headshell, the treble took on an almost grainy texture with the Nasotec headshell.

Apparently, some carts such as the Ortofon 2M series greatly benefit from the Nasotec swivel headshell, and other carts such as the AT-OC9XSL do not. So with that being said, the Nasotec will be getting packed back up and shipped back.

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A few new pics of the system at a totally different angle. The 32" monitor on the back wall is connected to the tiny PC running Roon Core. Everything is hidden in that buffet table, and that huge monitor needs to go and a small monitor put inside the table as well. That wall is prime real estate for some acoustic panels!

Also, those LPs on the wall are damaged and are on pre-existing nails in the wall. Though I do want to do some kind of "wall art" with old non-playable LPs eventually.

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Until you’ve truly heard an AAA pressing, it might not be clear. Take for example, the album Mike played for me on his new Kuzma Stabi R - Lee Morgan, Cornbread. This pressing was from the master tapes. It was beautifully pressed. A 1958 recording that sounded like Lee was right in the room.

I love my digital, don’t get me wrong, but when vinyl is done right, there is no going back.

Digital done right is like going to a really good, all-you-can-eat buffet. Analog done right is like going to a 3 star Michelin restaurant.

Even for the measurement crowd, the vinyl measures better in terms of DR.

Magic Vinyl vs Digital – What is the best edition of an album, vinyl, cassette, digital (CD, SACD, Streaming), in stereo, 5.1, Dolby Atmos or 360 RA? Who has never asked this question?


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Analog can sound incredible, agreed but the problem commonly omitted is - how many people have the $$$ for such an ultra - analog setup to hear the best from it? At more reasonable $ digital holds up incredibly well versus a TT and I'd argue tops it until you get to high $$ comparisons. That, plus the convenience of streaming is why I've continually turned away from analog, too much $$, too much work.
 
Analog can sound incredible, agreed but the problem commonly omitted is - how many people have the $$$ for such an ultra - analog setup to hear the best from it? At more reasonable $ digital holds up incredibly well versus a TT and I'd argue tops it until you get to high $$ comparisons. That, plus the convenience of streaming is why I've continually turned away from analog, too much $$, too much work.

while I won't argue your point and not to try to turn Charles 'system thread' into a digital vs analog debate I think one of the things he's showing us here is that modest amounts of $$ spent wisely can in fact produce solid sonic results.

Also keep in mind some of us have sizeable LP collections to begin with
 
"One of the things he's showing us here is that modest amounts of $$ spent wisely can in fact produce solid sonic results."

^^^

+1

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while I won't argue your point and not to try to turn Charles 'system thread' into a digital vs analog debate I think one of the things he's showing us here is that modest amounts of $$ spent wisely can in fact produce solid sonic results.

Also keep in mind some of us have sizeable LP collections to begin with

And solid sonic results they are!

Also yes, a decent sized and constantly growing LP collection, as well as a healthy collection of mint quality recorded cassettes and CDs. Not much in the way of open reel tape yet though. Most are at ridiculous prices that I refuse to pay.
 
Made a couple of changes to the system recently. First was getting rid of that giant 32" monitor on the back wall behind my listening seat for my Roon Core PC. It has been replaced with a little 8" monitor that is now hidden in the cabinet along with the rest of the gear. Not that it matters in this particular situation, but this little monitor has excellent picture and color quality. All of only $82 shipped! It's perfect for just running Roon on.

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The second change was swapping out the AudioQuest CV-8 (72 volt DBS system) speaker cables with the Tara Labs The One CX cables. These Maggie 1.7i's take extremely well to cable changes because holy cow, what an improvement! A wider sound stage with greater space and air within the stage, more grunt and energy in the bass and a more natural, realistic body in the midrange. Treble also benefits some with a bit more snap and refinement.

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The 2" Impression panels came in Friday, the 4" Alpha panels showed up first thing yesterday morning around 9am! That alone was shocking! They were supposed to ship out on the 24th and arrive by the 29th! Good on GIK Acoustics for that. As for fit and finish, I've read that a lot of these panels arrive looking like they were rushed, bad corners, wrinkled cloth, etc, etc. I have none of that with these panels. They look great front to back, top to bottom.

All day yesterday, and I do mean all day, I played around with location. I tried the Alpha and Impressions panels everywhere in the room, swapped one out for the other in each location, tried all combinations, tried all types of locations, and the simplest actually ended up providing the best results.

Music was from Phil Collins, Norah Jones, James Taylor, Depeche Mode, Neil Young, Diana Krall, The Cure, Peter Murphy, Gregory Porter, Holly Cole, Fleetwood Mack, Pink Floyd... Basically, artists and music I know extremely well and a lot that I have been listening to recently with the current system.

I first tried the Alpha panels in the 1st reflection points on the side walls. They gave me a solid center image, but they killed the width of the sound stage. Any stage width I got it was restricted to only between the inner edges of the speakers. Even the ambient width in the recording was sucked out almost completely. While keeping the Alphas there, I tried putting the four Impressions in various locations to see if they would resolve these new issues, but they didn't. Even completely out of the room, these new issues stayed.

So I swapped out the Alphas for the two Impressions you currently see in those 1st reflection locations. With no other panels in the room, these "removed" the walls, widened the sound stage considerably beyond the walls, and still give me that solid center image. This is something these speakers and room needed, and the Impressions in these locations deliver.

I then tried the Alphas on the back wall and the other two Impressions on the front wall. They seemed to work really well, but something was off. After more listening of various tracks, I realized that stage depth had flattened and vocal height had dropped to about just below center of the TV screen. Also, some of that ambience in the recordings had gone away again, though not as bad as before, but it was noticeable. Lastly, imaging focus had become a little bit fuzzy. Again, just because I could, I removed the Impressions on the sidewalls while keeping the other panels in place and that just made things worse, so those Impressions went back to the sidewalls.

The Alphas then got moved up front. What the Alphas did on the front wall is what the room/system needed. They opened up that front wall giving more space, air and much needed stage depth to the sound, as well as lifting the vocal/instrument height to realistic heights as if those vocals/instruments were in front of me. The ambience of the venues in the "live' recordings are back in strides and very clearly apparent, giving even more space and air within the room. The second pair of Impressions are on the back wall where they help reinforce what the Alphas are doing up front as well as the fact that there's zero slap echo in this room now.

As an added bonus to these panels, and something I wasn't expecting them to do much of if any, is that they have in fact improved the bass in this room. I don't know if they helped clean up some of the upper bass or bass harmonics or what, but the overall sound of the bass is just a bit more clean, solid and planted. Almost to the same effect as putting the subs up on those IsoAcoustics sub stands I have them on. Definition and sharpness of attack just seem to be better. And no, the Maggies, the subs or the sub settings were never touched through any of this.

Lastly, in order the mount one of the panels in front of the window, I mounted a couple of "legs" to the side of the panel, put a couple of eyehooks on the back of them, and a couple of L hooks in the wall, so installation and removal is simple and literally only takes seconds to do. Also, instead of using the sawtooth hangers that GIK provided with the panels, I decided to use heavy duty D-ring picture hangers for the wall mounted panels.

All in all, I am extremely happy with the results and am quite amazed at how much was achieved with only six panels. They far exceeded my expectations. This doesn't mean I'm done however. I still want to get some diffusors for behind/above the TV, and maybe a few other things here and there after some more research and advise seeking.

This is something I should have done long ago, which is what most people say who finally go this route. Amazing results with just a few panels, and the best this room/system has ever sounded.

Anyway, here's some pics...

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A little update...

Turns out those Tara Labs The One CX speaker cables as well as that big The One AC power cable are fakes. Yup, I got cheap Chinese knock-offs. It's not a fault of mine or my dealer friend as he got suckered getting them as a trade-in, though he should have checked into them with Tera Labs and the S/N on the cables. Oh well, at least I didn't pay much for them. A year later he still refunded me the money and I get to keep these cables. Maybe I'll use them in my girlfriend's bedroom system. LOL I mean, they're not horrible. They're at least still better than cheap stock cables and zip cord.

So I swapped my old AudioQuest CV-8 cables back into the system because they are longer, more manageable, which in turn allows for more flexibility in speaker placement tweaks, and they are the REAL DEAL. I also swapped in one of my old Wireworld Aurora 6 power cables.

This all started because I decided to replace the stock Maggie steel jumpers on the tweeters for a pair of WBC (Worlds Best Cables) Canare jumpers that I purchased back when I had those Klipsch Heresy III's.

I have to say, with the Wireworld power cable installed, bass punch and attack seem to be sharper now through the Maggies. I'm sure some of that has to do with the AudioQuest cables as well. Possibly a little deeper/wider sound stage too. The jumpers cleaned up just a touch of "grit" that I kept hearing in certain recordings when played at higher than average volume levels.

All in all, a good tweak in the right direction!


Also... I've been talking to a recently retired certified electrician friend of mine (35+ years in the business) that I work with, and in the somewhat near future we plan on running at least one 20 amp dedicated line to the front of the room and a dedicated 15 amp line to the side of the room where most of the system resides. All I have to do is pay for the materials and he's agreed to do the work in exchange for a nice little cook-out afterwords. Can't go wrong there!

We also plan on doing overhead (recessed) lighting as well with zones. Same agreement as above!


Anywho, some pics for fun...

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A little update...

Turns out those Tara Labs The One CX speaker cables as well as that big The One AC power cable are fakes. Yup, I got cheap Chinese knock-offs. It's not a fault of mine or my dealer friend as he got suckered getting them as a trade-in, though he should have checked into them with Tera Labs and the S/N on the cables. Oh well, at least I didn't pay much for them. A year later he still refunded me the money and I get to keep these cables. Maybe I'll use them in my girlfriend's bedroom system. LOL I mean, they're not horrible. They're at least still better than cheap stock cables and zip cord.

So I swapped my old AudioQuest CV-8 cables back into the system because they are longer, more manageable, which in turn allows for more flexibility in speaker placement tweaks, and they are the REAL DEAL. I also swapped in one of my old Wireworld Aurora 6 power cables.

This all started because I decided to replace the stock Maggie steel jumpers on the tweeters for a pair of WBC (Worlds Best Cables) Canare jumpers that I purchased back when I had those Klipsch Heresy III's.

I have to say, with the Wireworld power cable installed, bass punch and attack seem to be sharper now through the Maggies. I'm sure some of that has to do with the AudioQuest cables as well. Possibly a little deeper/wider sound stage too. The jumpers cleaned up just a touch of "grit" that I kept hearing in certain recordings when played at higher than average volume levels.

All in all, a good tweak in the right direction!


Also... I've been talking to a recently retired certified electrician friend of mine (35+ years in the business) that I work with, and in the somewhat near future we plan on running at least one 20 amp dedicated line to the front of the room and a dedicated 15 amp line to the side of the room where most of the system resides.

Charles FWIW and IMO if you're running two new dedicated lines make them both 20 amp. That's what I did, one for the Amps and the other for the other 'gear'
 
Charles FWIW and IMO if you're running two new dedicated lines make them both 20 amp. That's what I did, one for the Amps and the other for the other 'gear'

I was actually thinking that honestly. I'd split the run in the front of the room to have a single gang outlet on either side of the window like what's there now, then a dual gang outlet behind the racks.

And around the same time, I want to install some overhead lighting around the room as well with separate zones, and dimmer switches that can also be controlled via wifi.
 
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