CES 2014 - Day 3
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With your history and recent fever...you're not qualified to use the word "steep!"
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With your history and recent fever...you're not qualified to use the word "steep!"
Ha! But the things I bought won't be outdated in three weeks!
I still remember all the 24/96 DACs I owned (thinking this would be it.) HA! After hearing Double DSD today, I think I know where the future is.....well, at least its where I hope it goes!
Mike
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Mike...the Nagra HD DAC is priced 19.9K in Euros )see news section here: 6moons.com: News Room) so at today's 1.36 $ to the Euro that's about $27K plus importer's slice of the markup gets you to $28K pretty quick. Interesting! The DAC portion (incl DSD functionality) was outsourced to Andreas Koch of Playback Designs. Nagra did their thing on the rest of it. There is a detailed preview of it on 6Moons.com (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nagra7/1.html: Srajan's writing is always over the top and too long but he does give you a lot of detail if you want it), so for those interested that's a nice reference.
Nice to know so little has changed. :/
Actually... No. And at no point is being so overtly pompous the right thing to do when you are trying to build sales/networks. Some people at ces truly represent their brand and are some of the most cordial, friendly people out there. Some examples are Dave and Sara from WW, Rich @ Boulder, James @ bryston and numerous others that make you want to represent the brand because they believe in building a robust relationship.
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There are truly gracious wonderful leaders of some of these companies -- Keith Herron, John McDonaldat Audience, Allen Perkins at Spiral Groove, Dan at Modwright, and the list goes on. Each of those has humbly and patiently and unreservedly spent hours helping me and servicing their equipment.
VT Skier
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Jim,
I'm not there this year but have gone many, many times, and your point is well taken. CES really is supposed to be trade only, and the expenses to host a room are exorbitant, possibly the highest of all the shows, so some manufacturers' representatives can be less than helpful, or even curt, when a member of the "public" starts asking questions or otherwise takes time away from what the vendor hopes will be a profitable presentation of their wares.
Having said that, more and more members of the public are finding their way into the show, manufacturers know this, and I've found that the reception in recent years, particularly after the recent economic downturn, has been more friendly. Given that, if a member of the public does attend and expects the kind of reception typically received at a consumer oriented show like RMAF, they're just being unrealistic.
I've not found any particular manufacturer to be less courteous than any other. For example, many people complain about Magico generally, and Alon Wolf in particular, but I've not found their responses to be noticeably different from other vendors. In fact, I've always found the Magico room to be filled with competent, and professional people, like Irv Gross, happy to answer intelligent questions about their products but not interested in chit chat. People also complain about Alon, but I've found him willing to answer honestly questions about his products and design choices. He may not be the friendliest person, but I've never found him to be rude or discourteous. Some rooms are more welcoming than others, but I don't expect anyone to greet me effusively since I'm not a dealer, distributor or anyone else they'd want to talk to in order to recoup some of the massive investment they've made in attending the four-day show.
At CES, I tend to stay in the background, happy to hear and see so many fantastic systems that, living in Vermont, I would otherwise never experience. If I'm curious about something, I try to ask questions when a representative isn't otherwise engaged with someone who might actually be important to their future. In other words, it's a trade show, I'm not a member of the trade, and I do my best to remain cognizant of that. And it's always worked pretty well for me.
If you want a lengthy chat with someone, it's probably best to pick your moments, like when the room is empty, and realize that this may not be the best opportunity, or the best show, for that kind of interaction. If an important dealer or distributor comes in the door, your conversation may end very abruptly. As it probably should if the vendor's ultimate goal is to stay in business.
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I found most folks at CES to be friendly. My one incident was at THE Show over at the Flamingo and not part of CES. In that room, I merely requested "anything with female vocals, like Cowboy Junkies or Norah Jones or Diana Krall." The person just ignored me (he was not helping or talking to anyone), he was manning the iPad and sitting beside me. I asked again. Nothing. He continued to scroll through the lists of artists and picked something himself - ignoring me a third time. That's all.
I later found out he was a volunteer (read friend) for this particular manufacturer.
No big deal. As I said, this was at the Flamingo and part of THE Show and technically not part of CES.
At CES, I found most rooms to be friendly - including the Magico room where Irv was more than willing to pose for a picture for me.
That being said, they really should change the name of the show from the Consumer Electronics Show to the Buyers Electronics Show. The Buyers (dealers, distributors) were really who the manufacturers wanted to meet.
I later found out he was a volunteer (read friend) for this particular manufacturer.
No big deal. As I said, this was at the Flamingo and part of THE Show and technically not part of CES.
At CES, I found most rooms to be friendly - including the Magico room where Irv was more than willing to pose for a picture for me.
That being said, they really should change the name of the show from the Consumer Electronics Show to the Buyers Electronics Show. The Buyers (dealers, distributors) were really who the manufacturers wanted to meet.
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I imagine Irv got even friendlier when you said "You know, I've been thinking about moving from the S5 to the Q7. I need speakers that will really take advantage of my Trinity DAC."
Ha.Ha! But the things I bought won't be outdated in three weeks!
After hearing Double DSD today, I think I know where the future is.....well, at least its where I hope it goes!
Mike
Told yah!
First I infected Bob and now you. Joe should have been first, but he chickened out! LoL
I imagine Irv got even friendlier when you said "You know, I've been thinking about moving from the S5 to the Q7. I need speakers that will really take advantage of my Trinity DAC."
Woooohooohooo.
Hehehe
Leave Mike alone. LoL
Par for the course. Next time?
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I think in general terms - the manufacturers are A LOT more friendly now than they were 10-20 years ago. Back then it was very common to get an f u if you weren't a buyer.
I think that they are much more friendly nowadays because there are very few quality dealers in the USA and they realize that they DO have to sell and deal with the end customer. This along with the fact that each manufacturer prob goes to 2-3 additional shows during the year that are for the end consumer. So they get a lot more practice at shows.
I think that they are much more friendly nowadays because there are very few quality dealers in the USA and they realize that they DO have to sell and deal with the end customer. This along with the fact that each manufacturer prob goes to 2-3 additional shows during the year that are for the end consumer. So they get a lot more practice at shows.
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Hey Mike spend any time evaluating the Alexias with Nagra amps etc. How did it compare to Dags or other tube combos.?
Nick
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While I somewhat agree with this sentiment, I think you abandoned the voice that forums/internet/social media have given to... just about everyone. Everyone is now "press" via forum-ownership, blogging, whatever. And they have a far wider reach than some silly brick and mortar dealer trying to go back to the hayday 15 years ago. If a manufacturer pisses off a kid in ratty jeans and a ballcap, that kid could have 2 million hits a month to his audio blog - which just happens to be read by, oh, a huge population of high-income perspective buyers trying to do research about a particular product. Oops!
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