Box swappers - misunderstood.

Mike,

I can only speak for myself here, but as a bonafide box swapper, there are a couple points that I'd like to highlight....

1) It's easy to love and appreciate music while at the same time appreciating the gear that makes it sound awesome.

2) Not all box swappers are striving to attain something better. Some people simply get a kick outta experiencing something different.

3) Even box swappers make long-term purchases. For example: I once owned and actively listened to a pair of Totem Acoustic 'Sttaf's for 9 years. Nowadays, practically every component in my system (short of the speakers) have been with me for over three years. Heck, even the speakers that I use for my PC rig (Harbeth P3ESR's) have been sitting on my custom stands for over three years. Sure, trying stuff is a lot of fun, but that doesn't mean I'm going to readily replace everything that I own on a regular basis.

4) Looking at your sig, I gotta ask.. If I'm a gear swapper, does that make you a gear whore? :D :D Kidding of course. This stuff is fun!
 
Mike,



4) Looking at your sig, I gotta ask.. If I'm a gear swapper, does that make you a gear whore? :D :D Kidding of course. This stuff is fun!

Definitely! Haha! I'm the biggest gear swapper around. But....but....the current combo (Strads/Pass) have stopped me in my tracks.

Good thing I have the second system to take those gear swapping urges out on!

My friend goes insane when I tell him I swapped out a piece of gear. It's like his head is going to pop off and he starts into the whining....."but whyyyyy? I thought you loved those amps." I tell him, "I do, but I found something I like better." It literally drives him crazy. Not sure why.

Meanwhile, he will suffer through certain gear because it just pains him to make a change. That to me, is just stupid.
 
We have a running joke in my family…when I tell my wife and daughter that "These speakers are keepers….I could see them staying for two years…" Truth is, I have a front door and a back door at my house. BTW, I love my new Salon 2s and could see them being here for a long time.
 
I was showing my wife pictures of the Focal Scala V2's, Dali Epicon 8's and a few others and we were discussing colors....she said, "why don't you ask the guy who will own them in three weeks what color he likes."


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....she said, "why don't you ask the guy who will own them in three weeks what color he likes."


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Ha! Walnut. :D

I like the piano black too but those potential dust scratches might bother me.
 
Ha! Walnut. :D

I like the piano black too but those potential dust scratches might bother me.

We looked at the walnut in our room and it would clash. Black is best.

But the Scala V2 is still in the running.


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I was showing my wife pictures of the Focal Scala V2's, Dali Epicon 8's and a few others and we were discussing colors....she said, "why don't you ask the guy who will own them in three weeks what color he likes."


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Now that's funny!
 
I was showing my wife pictures of the Focal Scala V2's, Dali Epicon 8's and a few others and we were discussing colors....she said, "why don't you ask the guy who will own them in three weeks what color he likes."


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Mike, You could just pick the color you like best and then design the rest of the room around it. :lol:
 
Mike, are you booting out the Spatial Statements out so soon? :)

Booting? Keep up George. :) They are sold already.
Great speakers, it's just the open baffle was right there in full view from the kitchen.


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Let's don't mistake someone commenting on swapping gear as being the same thing as getting wound up over people who swap gear. As far as being someone's business, it's no longer private when you talk about it publicly. Whenever you post something on a public forum, whether you realize it or not, you are opening yourself up to be criticized and/or judged. It just comes with the territory. However, people are buffered somewhat on AS because AS is the audio forum equivalent of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood where people are expected to get along and act neighborly towards each other which is a good thing.

In the Art Dudley thread, I thought Myles wrote a masterful post about the benefits of long-term listening vs. short term listening and I think it's applicable here as well. Sometimes even when you think you have the fastest ears in the West, it doesn't mean your ears are correct at telling you the truth at Mach 3 listening speeds. As Myles says, sometimes what appears as really good in the short term turns out to be not so good over the long haul and vice versa.

I have said this before and I will say it again, it is my opinion if you change out too many key pieces of your stereo system within a short time of each other, you really have no idea what you are listening to. Why? Because you truly have no reference and no stake in the ground where you can judge where you are at and which direction you are heading.


I've to side with mep on this one as well, it's not a matter of jealousy or being a naysayers, nor box turtle in so much as some might actually enjoy their systems as is!, it's not about cost, or having funds to explore every freaking component that comes out month to month, I for one like some here have sold audio components for a living ( and did quite well at it, I can assure you ) but I was first and foremost concerned about the consumers whom trust I had gained over a period of time, to direct them to components that formed a certain synergy that was hard to find flaws in weeks/months or even years down the road, here I'm referring to the Linn/Naim buyers of old, where one could add a PSU to the preamps - here or there at a later date, or add newer versions of either Linn or Naim PSU for the LP12 when funds permitted?.

Yet, synergy is one of those key areas we're all aware of, yet sometimes forget how to hold it all together, as mentioned there are times where changing one component or cable, can in fact throw a wonderfully balanced system out of whack............., but as always, that's subjective to the end user, is it not?. I for one, could care less how one spends his/her money, time, energy, days and nights, but I do tend to care about some of the younger music lovers buying blind - case in point, as I've mentioned to more then a few friends of late -

In buying into the small group of dealers whom follow/believe in the wares introduced to them by the likes of Tone Imports ( Shindo Labs - Leben - Line Magentic Audio - Auditorium 23 - Acoustic Plan, and a few other brands of worth ) as heard with either DeVore Fidelity or Harbeth Speakers in tandem with say a Well Tempered Labs Amadeus GTA with either a Dynavector XXmk2 or EMT TSD-15 installed............, one knows there's something very very very very special going on here between these extremely well matched/balanced components that form said synergy, that shouldn't be altered, and said music lover either understands why these components have gained strong followings, or they do not?.

And I should add, that if I had the means........, I'd own say an Audio Note/Kondo ( Japan ) Overture EL34 based Integrated ( $33.000 or so ) with a humble pair of DeVore Fidelity Gibbon 3XLs, and could care less what might be advertised as better, I tend to pursue things that work together seamlessly - and as the olde adage goes, if it isn't broken, why change a thing!.

I'm not one to follow anyone's path besides my own, but even if I'd change component on a monthly bases and afford the lost ( because the more you spend, the less one gets in return while selling ) I'd still give them ample time to show me their full potential which in some cases takes upwards of 6 1/2 months before some components are fully broken in, lest you think it's at its best right out of the box?. And in some cases, I merely ask myself.............., do these same guys ever listen to these items before hand?, like at a dealers?, or even better in their own homes with items that worked with them, before purchasing them?, I wonder.

So, call me a box turtle, or so-called jealous ( of what?, and why? ) when in fact, while some have funds for all the latest and greatest ( in theory, no doubt ) I can pride myself of being a music lover, and have you beat when it's comes to said music with an LP collection approaching 28.000, might I ask, where does your music collection stand?, at the forefront?, or behind the box count?.

Yes, I do believe in speaking my mind, always did, always shall.

Salaam.
 
for me the excitement of hearing a new piece of gear in your system , whether its better or worse is worth the money i lose doing so . im not rich never will be but im ok with losing money to keep things exciting.
i spent money to move forward in my system.then i stepped back and pocketed a few thousand and got better results recently. then i broke even and upgraded a piece here and there its all a matter of boredom for me. some can take care of the boredom by buying a few new records. that helps but if i cant keep changing gear and keep the excitement of new gear at the fore front of this hobby then i would just sell it all and watch more tv.
to me the chase is part of it all. i could never be done. audiogon is my church. not to bring religion into it. :D swappers rule. haha!!!
 
Each of us have a different perspective.

Let's respect and embrace our differences, not put each other down over the choices we make.
 
for me the excitement of hearing a new piece of gear in your system , whether its better or worse is worth the money i lose doing so . im not rich never will be but im ok with losing money to keep things exciting.
i spent money to move forward in my system.then i stepped back and pocketed a few thousand and got better results recently. then i broke even and upgraded a piece here and there its all a matter of boredom for me. some can take care of the boredom by buying a few new records. that helps but if i cant keep changing gear and keep the excitement of new gear at the fore front of this hobby then i would just sell it all and watch more tv.
to me the chase is part of it all. i could never be done. audiogon is my church. not to bring religion into it. :D swappers rule. haha!!!

Steve,

I can in all honesty respect what you've stated here - as boredom could in fact be the cause of said pursit, and I loved the part about Audiogon being your church.........., that was way funny.
 
Each of us have a different perspective.

Let's respect and embrace our differences, not put each other down over the choices we make.

No disrespect intended, but weren't you the one talking as if someone was jealous because of what some can afford, while others can't?, yes it all about ones own perspective of what life entails in different mindsets and parts of the globe, while we are taking different approaches to said journeys or desinations - others in some countries merely wish for medical attention, clean water or a proper place to lay their heads.


Ones set of priorities, can be seen as a suffering child's lost.

But that's subjective as well. I'm signing off for awhile, as it's becoming more of a matter some can speak freely, while others have to feel as if their every word/thought is being checked.

I'll check back in next weekend, great post none the less Jaxwired, and obviously a sensitive one at that.

Later dudes.........
 
A guy comes home very late at night, smelling of alcohol. His wife asks, "Where have you been?" The man replies, "I was with my mistress, drinking and having passionate sex." His wife says, "Don't give me that. You were over at Jim's house listening to the new pair of speakers he just got."
 
been up for sale for a week, bro.

so Spatial to Focal, Mike?

Not sure Keith. I had plans for the Harbeth 40.1's, but I'm concerned about too much bass. Focal Scala V2 or Dali Epicon 8's are the two I'm considering now. Probably Epicon 8's.
 
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