Dr Tone
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Special firmware/script booted or installed via USB on the Oppo. Translation was fuzzy on that part. DSD extracted via Ethernet using a special version of sacd_extract running on computer.
beginner wants CD SACD player help!
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Special firmware/script booted or installed via USB on the Oppo. Translation was fuzzy on that part. DSD extracted via Ethernet using a special version of sacd_extract running on computer.
CPP
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You have any link to this information
Dr Tone
Banned
Very cool stuff.
jadedavid
New member
Bob, please keep us posted when you make your decision. Let us know what you went with and your thoughts on the new unit.
Good luck and good listening.
Dave
Good luck and good listening.
Dave
Dr Tone
Banned
As promised ted_b has started a thread with some details.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f...ing-using-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true-29251/
CPP
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Just read it. Man more computer manipulation/
The process involves two major steps:
1) create a USB thumb drive that contains an Autoscript program and a Telnet program, then plug it into your player to have it boot up with these scripts
2) using something like Putty (Windows, for example) Telnet from a computer into the BD/SACD/universal player above, then run a command line file that starts the ISO extraction.
Both of these steps require links that I will either edit here, or create a new post with them. I am still quite confused as to whether some of these files are different based on Mediatek chip version, of if this is all universal.
Here is an idea of the process (google translated and simplified)
01 – Folder AutoScript contain a server program (daemon) to rip original SACD discs
02 – Folder sacd_extract contain a windows client sacd_extract.exe and a file sacd.cmd. You should put this folder on a drive or partition with enough space to create .iso image. Edit sacd.cmd file with Notepad or another editor to change the IP address of the player. PC must be on the same network with the player
03 – Prepare clean USB stick
04 – Copy AutoScript folder with 3 files inside to the root of USB stick
05 – Disconnect from the player all USB devices
06 – Restart the player
07 – Check the Player menu and save IP address of the lan interface. Don’t forget to edit sacd.cmd
08 – It’s better to disable disc Autoplay
09 – Insert prepared USB stick into the player
10 – Wait until the tray is ejected
11 – Remove USB stick from your player
12 – Put sacd disc in tray
13 – Press the Close button
14 – Wait until the disc is recognized by the player
15 – From the Windows run sacd.cmd file and the ripping process should start
16 – To rip another SACD make sure that the sacd_extract.exe worked until the end, eject the tray with previous disc and repeat steps 11-15
17 – Be sure to reboot the player at the end!
I think I will just play my SACD's on my SACD player and not worry about it.
Randy Myers
Well-known member
Honestly, agreed.... this is why I bought a fairly nice SA-CD player in the first place!
Dr Tone
Banned
Looks like a dead simple process to me. I like playing my SACDs by hitting play in Roon.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f...eer-yes-its-true-29251/index6.html#post565542
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f...eer-yes-its-true-29251/index6.html#post565542
Randy Myers
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I tend to prefer not to modify and dedicate a piece of hardware to effectively break the law. Also, lately I have actually been kind of enjoying playing those those silver little disks.
I can't complain about Roon either. I would say I probably play about 70-30 music server/Roon -vs- SA-CD/CD listening.
I can't complain about Roon either. I would say I probably play about 70-30 music server/Roon -vs- SA-CD/CD listening.
Dr Tone
Banned
There is no modification of anything. But what ever floats your boat. I back up my purchased media as I see fit, some is near impossible to replace if my place burns down.
Randy Myers
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Firmware, especially firmware that one is worried about being overwritten is indeed modifying the equipment. I am all for being able to backup your purchased media, and I honestly have no issues with that at all. However, you and I both know that a vast majority of the people who are interested in this type of thing, or pay for this type of service are not doing it to backup their purchased media.
Because of these types of activities is why companies like Sony are so steadfast in their control over SA-CD and why there is such and emphasis on DRM in computer software. We all pay more in higher prices, security software, DRM and copy protection, etc. Anyone who thinks we are not are fooling themselves. But, alas, I guess it is human nature, think that their their "activities" don't harm anyone.
Mike may very well be advised to pull down these instructions. I would believe that having instructions on how to circumvent copy protection and essentially break the law in a public forum may very well constitute complicity.
Because of these types of activities is why companies like Sony are so steadfast in their control over SA-CD and why there is such and emphasis on DRM in computer software. We all pay more in higher prices, security software, DRM and copy protection, etc. Anyone who thinks we are not are fooling themselves. But, alas, I guess it is human nature, think that their their "activities" don't harm anyone.
Mike may very well be advised to pull down these instructions. I would believe that having instructions on how to circumvent copy protection and essentially break the law in a public forum may very well constitute complicity.
CPP
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I really don't think any issues will come out of this. The instructions are now all over the net. I'm just don't feel like fooling around with this. I mean I have the SACD disks and a player why would I need to rip them and play them back on the same device I'm ripping them on, the OPPO 105D.
Randy Myers
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I agree, I prefer to simply play the disks. However, I am also a devil's advocate type person; looking at both sides... and I do honestly feel that cheating, pirating, etc., etc. is nothing more than stealing. I will buy the music I want. Period.
I also feel that one of the banes of technology is the people trying to get something for nothing, hacking, pirating, stealing... and we all pay...
Bottom line... people pay so much for equipment, for Christ sake, pay for the music. Without the incredible talented artist we would not have this amazing hobby.
I also feel that one of the banes of technology is the people trying to get something for nothing, hacking, pirating, stealing... and we all pay...
Bottom line... people pay so much for equipment, for Christ sake, pay for the music. Without the incredible talented artist we would not have this amazing hobby.
As I work on network music players, I'd like to point out that ripping is an essential step in enjoying music via network music players, or any CAS means, when one has already paid for the discs. The primary convenience of using network music player or (some other CAS solutions) is that one can browse and play one's whole collection of music with just a few clicks. This cannot be done if the discs cannot be ripped.
Randy Myers
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Agreed, it is convenient to rip your disks and make them available on a music server, however Sony has strict rules on SA-CD. They have every manufacture of a SA-CD player only allow the DSD signal to be internally decoded and sent out analog outputs jacks. The only exception to this is the couple manufactures who have a special din connector going from their spinner and their decoder units (such as Esoteric and McIntosh). Again the digital signal is not sent externally and not allowed to be recorded.
To be allowed to offer a SA-CD player a manufacture accepts this license agreement. Anyone who purchases a SA-CD disks also agrees to this by virtue of opening the package.
Weather you want the convenience of playing these on your music server or not, you are not allowed to with SA-CD disks. Any method of circumventing this is breaking the law and not allowed.
You can also purchase music from download services such as HDTracks and Acoustic Sounds. You can also rip Redbook CDs for your music server; you are just not allowed to do this with the DSD signal off of a SA-CD disks.
Unfortunately Sony has taken a very strict view on this since day one of SA-CD. Maybe if people were not such thief's and had more honor this would not have came to pass. But far too many people try to get something for nothing (no matter what excuse they make) and companies like Sony said enough is enough.
Again Peter, as I said earlier I listen to probably about 70% of my music from my music server, however when I want to listen to one of my SA-CD's I know I must use my spinner. Anything to attempt to rip a SA-CD is dishonest and very much against the law.
To be allowed to offer a SA-CD player a manufacture accepts this license agreement. Anyone who purchases a SA-CD disks also agrees to this by virtue of opening the package.
Weather you want the convenience of playing these on your music server or not, you are not allowed to with SA-CD disks. Any method of circumventing this is breaking the law and not allowed.
You can also purchase music from download services such as HDTracks and Acoustic Sounds. You can also rip Redbook CDs for your music server; you are just not allowed to do this with the DSD signal off of a SA-CD disks.
Unfortunately Sony has taken a very strict view on this since day one of SA-CD. Maybe if people were not such thief's and had more honor this would not have came to pass. But far too many people try to get something for nothing (no matter what excuse they make) and companies like Sony said enough is enough.
Again Peter, as I said earlier I listen to probably about 70% of my music from my music server, however when I want to listen to one of my SA-CD's I know I must use my spinner. Anything to attempt to rip a SA-CD is dishonest and very much against the law.
Randy Myers
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"[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]SACD players are not permitted to offer an output carrying an unencrypted stream of Direct Stream Digital (DSD). Players initially supported only analog output; later some proprietary digital interfaces such as Denon Link permitted encrypted transmission of DSD. There are now two standard digital connection methods capable of carrying DSD in encrypted form: i.Link and HDMI (version 1.2 or later, standardised in August 2005). The older i.Link interface is generally found on older mid- to high-end equipment and some current top-of-the-line units from Japanese manufacturers. HDMI is more common, being the standard digital connection method for high-definition video with audio. Most new mid-level and higher 2007 model year and later A/V processors support the HDMI 1.2 specifications DSD over HDMI feature. Most boutique manufacturers still do not support DSD. Some HDMI 1.1 spec DVD players convert DSD to LPCM and then pass it to an HDMI 1.1 spec or later processor. Lower end processors usually convert the DSD to LPCM, higher end ones usually convert it to LPCM for bass management or DSP but can also process it natively at the expense of DSP and bass management. Some new DVD players from Oppo Digital, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc. now support HDMI 1.2 or 1.3 and will pass DSD over HDMI as well as LPCM. Be aware that some players, for instance, Onkyo DV-SP504, will not support DSD or LPCM over HDMI without resampling it to 48 kHz. SACD or DVD-A will be played through analog outputs instead. The older i.Link interface has been dropped from all but high-end A/V processors and DVD players."[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Again this does not mean you can record the signal. There are very few recording systems that can record from HDMI 1.2 or 1.3. I am not aware of any. However, even if you find one that can you are still breaking copy write law. Just because the store owner is not watching you that second does not mean it is ok to put a candy bar in your pocket. Stealing is stealing...[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Again this does not mean you can record the signal. There are very few recording systems that can record from HDMI 1.2 or 1.3. I am not aware of any. However, even if you find one that can you are still breaking copy write law. Just because the store owner is not watching you that second does not mean it is ok to put a candy bar in your pocket. Stealing is stealing...[/FONT]
Randy Myers
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Again, SA-CD is different. The law does in fact cover circumventing hardware restrictions. However I am done with this dumb argument. If you feel ok doing it go for it. For your own backup I could care less.
However a vast majority of those trying to do this are pure and simply thieves, and we all pay for it. If you feel good about defending those that steal then you should be proud of yourself. I personally feel sorry for those who feel it is ok to steal and even sorrier for those who feel they are doing good attempting to defend the practice.
However a vast majority of those trying to do this are pure and simply thieves, and we all pay for it. If you feel good about defending those that steal then you should be proud of yourself. I personally feel sorry for those who feel it is ok to steal and even sorrier for those who feel they are doing good attempting to defend the practice.