Bad Speakers

Rob181 said:
And I add that

- We are waiting for alternate tests the prove JA's testing to be flawed - still waiting

- If Brinkmann believed the JA tests to be flawed - they would have taken him on - please show where they did so

- Not long after the JA Tests Brinkmann release the Mk11 version with - guess what - a completely updated power supply - I wonder why "In Nyquist Mk II, this high-voltage power supply technology
has been implemented more widely."

- Now - lets see - what DAC do you own - Oh - Shock Horror - what a surprise - its a Nyquist Mk11

Back to you Sir - please prove what you have said is factually correct - with objective analysis - not subjective BS.
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Unfortunately, there’s really nothing to prove here.

It is more like JA raised an issue, which did not seem to bother any of the other Nyquist mk1 reviewers. Or to lessen their praise for the product for that matter. And there are a lots of mk2, mk3 reviews in the Autumn 2018 Recommended Components list, not for the Nyquist though. Funny thing that.


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Hi Christian,

i noticed the same thing but do not blame the speaker themselves in a lot of instances. The rooms in shows are often undertreated and boxy to begin with. In the case of B&W, they have a representative that does not weigh loudness vs room acoustics so in show performance are an insult to my ears.

For me, horn speakers have the same effect, very expensive and I have not heard them played right. It will exist I reckon, have not heard Voxativ yet for instance. Have heard the magico in both a good and a bad setup. Setup and matching equipment is king in my eyes.

Fortunately there are exceptions. If I have the chance, I listen to the Grimm LS1 and a lot of speakers sound distorted (‘boxy’, ‘harmonics inducing’ etc.) after I heard them. Chord always takes a nice speaker to match their newest products and use less ‘audiophile’ music which to me is very, very refreshing.
 
I am confused. There are posts about "bad" speakers and the review of a DAC. So what are we talking about here?
 
nc42acc said:
I am confused. There are posts about "bad" speakers and the review of a DAC. So what are we talking about here?
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Start at the beginning and you should be able to figure it out.
 
TabCam said:
Hi Christian,

i noticed the same thing but do not blame the speaker themselves in a lot of instances. The rooms in shows are often undertreated and boxy to begin with. In the case of B&W, they have a representative that does not weigh loudness vs room acoustics so in show performance are an insult to my ears.

For me, horn speakers have the same effect, very expensive and I have not heard them played right. It will exist I reckon, have not heard Voxativ yet for instance. Have heard the magico in both a good and a bad setup. Setup and matching equipment is king in my eyes.

Fortunately there are exceptions. If I have the chance, I listen to the Grimm LS1 and a lot of speakers sound distorted (‘boxy’, ‘harmonics inducing’ etc.) after I heard them. Chord always takes a nice speaker to match their newest products and use less ‘audiophile’ music which to me is very, very refreshing.
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I remember going to the show anticipating how much better the sound would be compared to what I had at home. By the end of the day, I realized I liked the sound of my home stereo better than most of what I heard.

The exceptions were the Vandersteen/ARC/Audioquest room which was unbelievably great and I seem to recall being impressed by the MBL speakers and how the sound was free of the speaker, itself. I had never seen or heard an MBL speaker before that. There were a couple compelling bookshelf speakers, too. But Vandersteen really made an impact because it was a demo with a normal sized speaker that could fit a variety of rooms and the sound was sublime.
 
Vandersteen is not what I'd call a bad speaker but it's on my list of speakers I don't like and wouldn't use. I know they have very loyal fans, just not my thing. Fans always say, "you just haven't heard them set up right", I'd hope as many times I heard them at least once they'd be set up right. They just sound to me very colored and unrealistic, to my subjective idea of realistic based on live concerts, orchestras.
 
Hey I take offense to this statement!!! The Von Schweikert VR5 Anniversaries MKII are the best speakers in the world!!!! :hey:
Penthouse-D said:
I'll agree with Mr. Peabody on B&O and Wilson. I will add Von Schweikert VR5 Anniversaries to the list. Owned a pair. Awful.... Sorry.....
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Had a bad speaker once. Woofed all night, wouldn’t shut up. Neighbors complained. In the end, made the young’un take it out back and shoot it ...
 
Randy Myers said:
I am sure it is just me but I have found more over priced speakers that I do not like. Speakers I've heard that I would take my low price (by comparison, but not low price for non-audiophiles) KEF's over... Very expensive YG's, equally expensive Martin Logan (both listened to in a room I am familiar with, a Stereophile reviewer who is in our audio club), and a $50k pair of Acoustic Zen speakers that I lived an entire weekend with at RMAF... they are terrible in my view. My R series KEF were much better in my view then any of these $50k plus speakers. Just saying.

I have listened to KEF Reference speakers and loved them.. would love to hear/own Blade 2's... but definitely out of my affordable range now :).
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Randy - I just came across two consecutive posts on WBF in which two experienced listeners rave about those very same Acoustic Zen speakers as sounding great and found them to offer an exceptional value! So it just goes to show how critical matching equipment and setup is as well as our individual preferences, and why I say it's best not to allow yourself to form negative opinions about gear heard in unfamiliar systems. There can be any number of causes from the room itself to other connected gear which can limit a given component's performance in a specific setup, but if you have a positive impression you know that each component in the system is capable of achieving at least that level of performance.
 
Bill

I got the impression he was talking about the newer Maestro which is a huge speaker at about 18" taller and almost twice the weight of the Crescendo which has been well received in both versions. It would take a very large room for the Maestro to work.
 
Jack said:
Bill

I got the impression he was talking about the newer Maestro which is a huge speaker at about 18" taller and almost twice the weight of the Crescendo which has been well received in both versions. It would take a very large room for the Maestro to work.
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Jack - Thanks for your input and I apologize if I was incorrect, but since both Randy and the WBF posts mentioned the $50K price point I assumed they were referring to the same model.
 
audio.bill said:
So it just goes to show how critical matching equipment and setup is as well as our individual preferences, and why I say it's best not to allow yourself to form negative opinions about gear heard in unfamiliar systems. There can be any number of causes from the room itself to other connected gear which can limit a given component's performance in a specific setup, but if you have a positive impression you know that each component in the system is capable of achieving at least that level of performance.
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+ 1000!
 
Yes that was the model. BTW that W4S amp really was pretty special but they keep running into issues so EJ put it on the back burner. I really did not like the Maestros at all. Way too boomy and just not my cup of tea. For $50k I just expected way more. I actually preferred Robert's lower model.
 
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