Bad Speakers

You might not have been the first to mention JA in this thread, but you get full credit for trying to trash his reputation in post #33.
Yes AJ, Mike and everyone Merry Christmas. Having a great one myself.

And YES I do take full responsibility for my words about John Atkinson. So Mep you are correct about that. For many instances that I will not go into here, JA’s reputation, for me, is questionable. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately for others) his opinions have the power to put credible audio manufacturer’s out of business. And if no one cares about my (or anyone’s) opinion, so be it. I never, ever tried to represent myself other than a long time hobbyist. But I do enjoy hearing other opinions from hobbyists just like me.
 
So what would you want John Atkinson to do? Just give a uniformly rave review to very component like some of the The Absolute Sound reviewers? Before anyone gets upset, please know I am not lumping every reviewer of TAS in that category!
I greatly value reviewers like John. He is not only technically sound but also tries to be fair & balanced in his assessments. If Brinkman Nyquist is a poorly measuring DAC, that is not John's fault. On the other hand, we know there is much more to how a product sounds than just measurements. Science has not yet worked out all those intangibles.
Anshul

Yes AJ, Mike and everyone Merry Christmas. Having a great one myself.

And YES I do take full responsibility for my words about John Atkinson. So Mep you are correct about that. For many instances that I will not go into here, JA’s reputation, for me, is questionable. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately for others) his opinions have the power to put credible audio manufacturer’s out of business. And if no one cares about my (or anyone’s) opinion, so be it. I never, ever tried to represent myself other than a long time hobbyist. But I do enjoy hearing other opinions from hobbyists just like me.
 
I get it. Some of you value JA as a reviewer. I respect your opinion.
 
I get it. Some of you value JA as a reviewer. I respect your opinion.

I value JA as an EE who constantly measures audio gear, listens to audio gear, is a musician, and a reviewer. Oh, and speaks the truth as he measures it and hears it.
 
I value JA as an EE who constantly measures audio gear, listens to audio gear, is a musician, and a reviewer. Oh, and speaks the truth as he measures it and hears it.
I feel the same way about Anthony Cordesman.
 
This thread is kinda silly as speakers are so personal and are often a matter of taste.

Several speakers that were clearly not right (and out of business now) include Talon and Escalante. There were significant problems with those designs and easily discoverable from real measurements.
 
So what would you want John Atkinson to do? Just give a uniformly rave review to very component like some of the The Absolute Sound reviewers? Before anyone gets upset, please know I am not lumping every reviewer of TAS in that category!
I greatly value reviewers like John. He is not only technically sound but also tries to be fair & balanced in his assessments. If Brinkman Nyquist is a poorly measuring DAC, that is not John's fault. On the other hand, we know there is much more to how a product sounds than just measurements. Science has not yet worked out all those intangibles.
Anshul

Nothing against measurements, on the contrary. They are often very helpful to understand a product better. I only find them questionable, if they are taken out of context and used to harm others.

In the failed Nyquist review, JA was measuring some distortion induced by the tubes used in the product. However, in the Nyquist the tubes are used for several purposes. On the one hand to influence the DAC sound, on the other hand to clean up the power supplied to the DAC chip. In the review, JA measured the distortion in an area where it does not influence the sound. Nevertheless JA decided to include the comment. JA knows his area well, and I do not think he makes mistakes. That’s what makes this more problematic.

What is interesting, is that when comparing JAs measurements to those of any other reviewer’s, the product actually measures very well with others. This discrepancy is evident in reviews by some of the audio world’s most respected reviewers, such as Alan Sircom (HiFi+), Robert Harley (TAS), Mathias Böde (Stereo) Roland Kraft (Stereoplay) and numerous others. And if you read the Stereophile review, also Mikey actually quite liked the sound of the Nyquist.

Background of the last sentence jab in the measurement section was a commercial disagreement with the manufacturer, related to the number of ads purchased to get the review published (we all know how this business works). But it turned out JAs comment was in such stark contrast to any other top reviewers perspective, Stereophile decided to remove the product’s rating from its latest Autumn 2018 Recommended Components list less than a year after it was first published.

In a summary, I have read more great than not so good reviews from JA. But here he was caught red handed for doing something he better should avoid, for not to tarnish his reputation. That sort of political reviewing I do not appreciate, and I personally find it unethical.

PS: The sub area distortion has been rectified in the Mk2 version DAC module.


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Well, ... this went well then, lets ramp it up for new years aye...

 
Well, ... this went well then, lets ramp it up for new years aye...

Well bzr, I am sure you are presenting arguments to the best of your abilities.


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Q5, ugh. Wait until you hear the latest S and M series.


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I know at least one dealer that stopped with Magico.They became too expensive in Europe.

on another note. I’ve never heard Avantgarde speakers sound good at shows. The low end alway seemed wrong. Too slow too muddy.
 
I know at least one dealer that stopped with Magico.They became too expensive in Europe.

on another note. I’ve never heard Avantgarde speakers sound good at shows. The low end alway seemed wrong. Too slow too muddy.

Have you heard the new XD series? Best bass I’ve ever heard.
 
Nothing against measurements, on the contrary. They are often very helpful to understand a product better. I only find them questionable, if they are taken out of context and used to harm others.

In the failed Nyquist review, JA was measuring some distortion induced by the tubes used in the product. However, in the Nyquist the tubes are used for several purposes. On the one hand to influence the DAC sound, on the other hand to clean up the power supplied to the DAC chip. In the review, JA measured the distortion in an area where it does not influence the sound. Nevertheless JA decided to include the comment. JA knows his area well, and I do not think he makes mistakes. That’s what makes this more problematic.

What is interesting, is that when comparing JAs measurements to those of any other reviewer’s, the product actually measures very well with others. This discrepancy is evident in reviews by some of the audio world’s most respected reviewers, such as Alan Sircom (HiFi+), Robert Harley (TAS), Mathias Böde (Stereo) Roland Kraft (Stereoplay) and numerous others. And if you read the Stereophile review, also Mikey actually quite liked the sound of the Nyquist.

Background of the last sentence jab in the measurement section was a commercial disagreement with the manufacturer, related to the number of ads purchased to get the review published (we all know how this business works). But it turned out JAs comment was in such stark contrast to any other top reviewers perspective, Stereophile decided to remove the product’s rating from its latest Autumn 2018 Recommended Components list less than a year after it was first published.

In a summary, I have read more great than not so good reviews from JA. But here he was caught red handed for doing something he better should avoid, for not to tarnish his reputation. That sort of political reviewing I do not appreciate, and I personally find it unethical.

PS: The sub area distortion has been rectified in the Mk2 version DAC module.


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I didn't see this thread deteriorating as it did (it started about speakers) but I've been following because I have a passing interest in what speakers people like/dislike.

Since I'm not part of the "inside club," of the industry or publications, I don't know who is who but some of the things said in this thread seem suspect innuendo.

You've pointed out numerous times about how JA's measurements contradict other professional reviews, yet you say in the one of your last posts that "sub area distortion has been rectified in the MK2 version DAC module." Does this not suggest that Brinkmann recognized an issue with the design that could be improved?

You've mentioned that the Nyquist MK1 was removed from Stereophile's recommend products - but shouldn't someone so knowledgable be aware that Stereophile's policy is to remove products no longer available? From the Stereophile recommended products information, "Discontinuation of a product precludes its appearance." There is no conspiracy as to this products removal from the list. The MK1 is no longer available and thus isn't in the list.
 
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Christian
stuff: Mark Levinson No. 52 pre, Bricasti M28 amps, Esoteric K-01X, Oppo BDP-105D, Pioneer CT-43, Sony SS-AR1 Speakers, Shunyata Triton V3 w/ Typhon, Furutech Nanoflux/Nanoflux NCF power cables, WW Platinum Eclipse 7 IC's/Speaker Cables, An Audioquest WEL IC or two.
Nice speaker selection Christian! They don't get their well deserved praise among many audiophiles due to their primary association of the Sony brand with TVs, but the SS-AR1 are truly exceptional speakers! :audiophile:
 
I didn't see this thread deteriorating as it did (it started about speakers) but I've been following because I have a passing interest in what speakers people like/dislike.

Since I'm not part of the "inside club," of the industry or publications, I don't know who is who but some of the things said in this thread seem suspect innuendo.

You've pointed out numerous times about how JA's measurements contradict other professional reviews, yet you say in the one of your last posts that "sub area distortion has been rectified in the MK2 version DAC module." Does this not suggest that Brinkmann recognized an issue with the design that could be improved?

You've mentioned that the Nyquist MK1 was removed from Stereophile's recommend products - but shouldn't someone so knowledgable be aware that Stereophile's policy is to remove products no longer available? From the Stereophile recommended products information, "Discontinuation of a product precludes its appearance." There is no conspiracy as to this products removal from the list. The MK1 is no longer available and thus isn't in the list.

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How did you "live with" a pair of speakers over an entire weekend at RMAF? Were you part of the demo team?

For a few months I worked for my friend who owns an audio manufacture. He teamed up with the owner of this speaker manufacture for the show. I helped at the show... I did not like these expensive speakers and we struggled all weekend to get them sounding their best (or even acceptable in my view).
 
Nice speaker selection Christian! They don't get their well deserved praise among many audiophiles due to their primary association of the Sony brand with TVs, but the SS-AR1 are truly exceptional speakers! :audiophile:

Thanks. The SS-AR1 speakers were an itch I had to scratch. I made an offer on a pair of virtually unused dealer demos, this year, that had been boxed up for quite awhile, at what I considered a fair price.
They're fun speakers and I get the best sound in my home system that I've ever had. I was looking for the smallest footprint with the most bass output and Kalman Rubinson's review suggested that's what these offered. I had my doubts when I first hooked them up, but extended playing changed their character 180 degrees to my satisfaction and amazement, quite frankly.
I actually heard them at the NY Audio show a number of years ago, and wasn't entirely impressed. As I recall they had more of the pre-broken in sound versus what I hear from mine, now. But I put some faith in the Stereophile and Absolute Sound reviews and I think they're both pretty accurate reviews.
I don't doubt I could have gotten a better and more forward-thinking design for the price, but the combination of speaker size, more or less full range output, appealing fit/finish, and price I could obtain them for made it a speaker I wanted to try. Plus I didn't need help with unpacking and setting them up or the opposite should I decide to sell them at some point.
 
For a few months I worked for my friend who owns an audio manufacture. He teamed up with the owner of this speaker manufacture for the show. I helped at the show... I did not like these expensive speakers and we struggled all weekend to get them sounding their best (or even acceptable in my view).

Thanks Randy. Now I understand.
 
Nothing against measurements, on the contrary. They are often very helpful to understand a product better. I only find them questionable, if they are taken out of context and used to harm others.

In the failed Nyquist review, JA was measuring some distortion induced by the tubes used in the product. However, in the Nyquist the tubes are used for several purposes. On the one hand to influence the DAC sound, on the other hand to clean up the power supplied to the DAC chip. In the review, JA measured the distortion in an area where it does not influence the sound. Nevertheless JA decided to include the comment. JA knows his area well, and I do not think he makes mistakes. That’s what makes this more problematic.

In a summary, I have read more great than not so good reviews from JA. But here he was caught red handed for doing something he better should avoid, for not to tarnish his reputation. That sort of political reviewing I do not appreciate, and I personally find it unethical.

PS: The sub area distortion has been rectified in the Mk2 version DAC module.


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I didn't see this thread deteriorating as it did (it started about speakers) but I've been following because I have a passing interest in what speakers people like/dislike.

Since I'm not part of the "inside club," of the industry or publications, I don't know who is who but some of the things said in this thread seem suspect innuendo.

You've pointed out numerous times about how JA's measurements contradict other professional reviews, yet you say in the one of your last posts that "sub area distortion has been rectified in the MK2 version DAC module." Does this not suggest that Brinkmann recognized an issue with the design that could be improved?

You've mentioned that the Nyquist MK1 was removed from Stereophile's recommend products - but shouldn't someone so knowledgable be aware that Stereophile's policy is to remove products no longer available? From the Stereophile recommended products information, "Discontinuation of a product precludes its appearance." There is no conspiracy as to this products removal from the list. The MK1 is no longer available and thus isn't in the list.

And I add that

- We are waiting for alternate tests the prove JA's testing to be flawed - still waiting

- If Brinkmann believed the JA tests to be flawed - they would have taken him on - please show where they did so

- Not long after the JA Tests Brinkmann release the Mk11 version with - guess what - a completely updated power supply - I wonder why "In Nyquist Mk II, this high-voltage power supply technology
has been implemented more widely."


- Now - lets see - what DAC do you own - Oh - Shock Horror - what a surprise - its a Nyquist Mk11

Back to you Sir - please prove what you have said is factually correct - with objective analysis - not subjective BS.
 
MEP looking like Nostradamus

So did you guys hear the one about 3 audiophiles walking into a bar?
 
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