Bad Speakers

Randy Myers said:
I am sure it is just me but I have found more over priced speakers that I do not like. Speakers I've heard that I would take my low price (by comparison, but not low price for non-audiophiles) KEF's over... Very expensive YG's, equally expensive Martin Logan (both listened to in a room I am familiar with, a Stereophile reviewer who is in our audio club), and a $50k pair of Acoustic Zen speakers that I lived an entire weekend with at RMAF... they are terrible in my view. My R series KEF were much better in my view then any of these $50k plus speakers. Just saying.

I have listened to KEF Reference speakers and loved them.. would love to hear/own Blade 2's... but definitely out of my affordable range now :).
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How did you "live with" a pair of speakers over an entire weekend at RMAF? Were you part of the demo team?
 
still-one said:
I think there are far more bad rooms/setups than there are bad speakers.
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One consistent theme here. Almost all of the ‘worst’ were heard at shows or dealer’s, a few in other people’s homes, and almost none were owned outright. I’ve found my speakers sound better in my system than they ever have at a show or dealer audition. So maybe the worst just need a little setup TLC.
 
If the Omen had distortion it was from the electronics. Zu uses Eminence drivers which are Pro drivers. I owned a set of Omen with Soul Superfly drivers and they played as clear at very high volume as they did at lower volume. I was only using CJ 100 watt monoblocks. I'd say the Zu were one of the best composed speakers at high volume I've heard.

W9TR said:
The JA speaker measurements based reviews, over time, have proven very useful in my loudspeaker speaker journey.

The two worst speakers I’ve heard tower over all the other bad speakers I’ve been subjected to:
# 1 First gen WAAM’s. Super etched, shrill, totally unmusical. Dealer showroom circa 2000.
#2 Zu Omen. Super big HF resonance made everything sound really unnatural. Very high distortion. RMAF 2017.
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Mr Peabody said:
If the Omen had distortion it was from the electronics. Zu uses Eminence drivers which are Pro drivers. I owned a set of Omen with Soul Superfly drivers and they played as clear at very high volume as they did at lower volume. I was only using CJ 100 watt monoblocks. I'd say the Zu were one of the best composed speakers at high volume I've heard.
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They were using something from Peachtree - not sure what. It was also way too loud like a lot demo’s seem to be.
 
Reviews are just another source of information to weigh, sometimes you get better information than the manufacturer website.

I can't speak to the integrity of Stereophile but I doubt an advertiser would be happy with the way at least that magazine points out shortcomings in gear. For example, the snip I shared from the Carmel review.
 
Mr Peabody said:
Reviews are just another source of information to weigh, sometimes you get better information than the manufacturer website.

I can't speak to the integrity of Stereophile but I doubt an advertiser would be happy with the way at least that magazine points out shortcomings in gear. For example, the snip I shared from the Carmel review.
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How about how JA torched the Nyquist DAC? JA doesn’t pull punches.
 
Stereophile, and especially John Atkinson have been VERY helpful to me. John is one of my favorite reviewers. He’s always spot on. JVS is another I like.


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mep said:
How about how JA torched the Nyquist DAC? JA doesn’t pull punches.
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I guess JA got burned on that one, after five other reviewers rated it top notch [emoji3].

As this defeat was so embarrassing for him they pulled the Nyquist review and rating from their site after less than a year. I guess the leaning from that is, if you act political as a reviewer you better know what you’re doing, or you end up looking as stupid as JA did.


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Mike said:
Stereophile, and especially John Atkinson have been VERY helpful to me. John is one of my favorite reviewers. He’s always spot on. JVS is another I like.


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JA tells the truth and points out any and all problems with the gear he measures. He has integrity.
 
Kuoppis said:
I guess JA got burned on that one, after five other reviewers rated it top notch [emoji3].

As this defeat was so embarrassing for him they pulled the Nyquist review and rating from their site after less than a year. I guess the leaning from that is, if you act political as a reviewer you better know what you’re doing, or you end up looking as stupid as JA did.


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What are you talking about? Did anyone dispute that the measurements JA took were incorrect? If yes, please post a link because I neve saw it.
 
mep said:
What are you talking about? Did anyone dispute that the measurements JA took were incorrect? If yes, please post a link because I neve saw it.
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JA demonstrated once more, as has has been the case with other products, that his measurements are sometimes irrelevant. Five other internationally respected reviewers gave the product a top rating, none discovered any of the difficulties JA was referring to. Also Fremer, as the actual reviewer, liked the sound of the DAC.

Otherwise I did not say anything about the measurements.


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mep said:
The review was not pulled by Stereophile either. It’s right here: https://www.stereophile.com/content/brinkmann-audio-nyquist-da-processor
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Mep, you are known to be an amateur. Professionals are more accurate in their work.

Why don’t you go and check the Stereophile Autumn 2018 Recommended Components list, the product and its rating are gone after less than a year [emoji3]. That is really a spanking for JA and his measurements.

And yes, it is available in older listings, as Stereophile cannot change the ratings after the fact.


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mep said:
I told everyone at the beginning of this thread that it won't end well. Joseph R will personally see to it. He started this thread to trash expensive speakers he doesn't like and wanted everyone else to pile on. Now he has already switched gears to attack reviewers. Brilliant.
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To Mep and Still-one: I was not the one that brought JA into this conversation. And Still-one I don’t appreciate someone re-interpreting what I said. I said I would rather hear from someone who has no chance of benefiting financially from their opinion. If you want to cowtow at the altar of John Atkinson, be my guest. I would rather not.
 
Joseph R. said:
To Mep and Still-one: I was not the one that brought JA into this conversation. And Still-one I don’t appreciate someone re-interpreting what I said. I said I would rather hear from someone who has no chance of benefiting financially from their opinion. If you want to cowtow at the altar of John Atkinson, be my guest. I would rather not.
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You might not have been the first to mention JA in this thread, but you get full credit for trying to trash his reputation in post #33.
 
Kuoppis said:
Mep, you are known to be an amateur. Professionals are more accurate in their work.

Why don’t you go and check the Stereophile Autumn 2018 Recommended Components list, the product and its rating are gone after less than a year [emoji3]. That is really a spanking for JA and his measurements.

And yes, it is available in older listings, as Stereophile cannot change the ratings after the fact.


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You said the review was removed from the SP site and I clearly showed you are wrong. Now you are pointing to an issue of SP that the Nyquist isn’t mentioned in. So you also agree that no one has challenged JA’s measurements from a technical standpoint?

The only reason I mentioned the Nyquist review because it’s a recent example that JA doesn’t pull punches and he has integrity after someone else on this thread tried to trash him.
 
Joseph R. said:
To Mep and Still-one: I was not the one that brought JA into this conversation. And Still-one I don’t appreciate someone re-interpreting what I said. I said I would rather hear from someone who has no chance of benefiting financially from their opinion. If you want to cowtow at the altar of John Atkinson, be my guest. I would rather not.
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I didn't reinterpret anything. I just stated a fact. The internet is full of people who think their opinion matters to any but themselves. They are experts in their own mind.

You or anyone can claim they like or dislike any product audio or otherwise. Just remember no one else cares.
 
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