B&W 801 D4 +Humboldt

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Hi, i'm still looking for a pair of speakers, i can get a demo of, B&W 801 D4s, will my Audionet Humboldt, have enough grunt to power these speakers, don't want to get a demo if it's a waste of time, i listen about 70-80 db,

Also as I'm in England, when you price things up in the USA, is this price without sales tax, and as far as i can gather, this is different in every state, madness, so when you see prices on web-sites, this is not the actual price you pay, thanks andy,

just read the thread about the guy with the B&W801 d4 magico a5 -dilemma, great read, even as he tore a strip off Mike, Mike came back as the gentleman he is, with advice, there is free speech on this forum, keep up the good work, :congrats:
 
B&W 801 D4 +Humboldt

greystoke4 said:
Hi, i'm still looking for a pair of speakers, i can get a demo of, B&W 801 D4s, will my Audionet Humboldt, have enough grunt to power these speakers, don't want to get a demo if it's a waste of time, i listen about 70-80 db,

Also as I'm in England, when you price things up in the USA, is this price without sales tax, and as far as i can gather, this is different in every state, madness, so when you see prices on web-sites, this is not the actual price you pay, thanks andy,

just read the thread about the guy with the B&W801 d4 magico a5 -dilemma, great read, even as he tore a strip off Mike, Mike came back as the gentleman he is, with advice, there is free speech on this forum, keep up the good work, :congrats:
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Thank you. I missed that, can you send me a link? Was this the guy that had older B&W’s and then bought A5’s and then went on every forum to bash them?

I don’t get too bothered by all this. It’s a bit like arguing over ice cream.

I hope you get a chance to audition all the speakers.


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B&W 801D4 review, number 27,, anyway can you shed some light on the usa pricing cheers, ps its, 25 degrees here in the uk, it might not be much to you ,but here at 19.00 pm it's great in the uk,

yes that's him, i don't think he is American, but lives there , some weird spelling going on,
 
greystoke4 said:
B&W 801D4 review, number 27,, anyway can you shed some light on the usa pricing cheers, ps its, 25 degrees here in the uk, it might not be much to you ,but here at 19.00 pm it's great in the uk,

yes that's him, i don't think he is American, but lives there , some weird spelling going on,
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801D4 is $35k now, going to $38k August 1.


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B&W 801 D4 +Humboldt

greystoke4 said:
is that with sales tax, and how much is it in your state, cheers

£32,500, in the uk
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Prices here never include sales tax. In our state it ranges from 6-7%.


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dznutz said:
Have the people at Bowers confirmed that they will price protect any orders placed in July?
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Yes. It was going to be July 5th, but they pushed it to August 1 to help dealers and we’ve already had months of notice, which was quite nice.


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Mr Peabody said:
Often times if you buy from another state they don't have to charge sales tax.
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That always strikes me as bonkers as buyers won't buy from their local store if they can avoid paying Sales Tax by buying from out of state by mail order. How do stores cope with this?

In the EU everything is sold with Value Added Tax at the national rate in the country of supply and anyone can buy from wherever they wish – by direct purchase or by mail, it always includes VAT. But as rates vary so little (all around 20%), there's little point in paying extra carriage or driving across borders to save a percent or two!

Now that the UK has left the EU, we cannot import anything from EU countries without paying UK VAT and Import Duty too. Because the Borders are poorly staffed at present, in practice anything relatively small packed away in your car will likely get through - but to what advantage? We still have to pay the VAT in the country we buy the goods from. It's double taxation that people want to avoid if UK residents really wish to buy from an EU country!

Certainly the VAT system means that the government receives the tax due on all retail sales and this is surely better than the government adding taxes elsewhere if half the population can avoid paying Sales Tax so easily and legally.
 
Hear Here said:
That always strikes me as bonkers as buyers won't buy from their local store if they can avoid paying Sales Tax by buying from out of state or mail order. How do stores cope with this?

In the EU everything is sold with Value Added Tax at the national rate in the country of supply and anyone can buy from wherever they wish – by direct purchase or by mail, it always includes VAT. But as rates vary so little (all around 20%), there's little point in paying extra carriage or driving across borders to save a percent or two!

Now that the UK has left the EU, we cannot import anything from EU countries without paying UK VAT and Import Duty too. Because the Borders are poorly staffed at present, in practice anything relatively small packed away in your car will likely get through - but to what advantage? We still have to pay the VAT in the country we buy the goods from. It's just avoiding double taxation that people want to avoid if UK residents really wish to buy from an EU country!

Certainly the VAT system means that the government receives the tax due on retail sales and this is surely better than the government adding taxes elsewhere.
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And reason #792 why territories in America make NO SENSE.


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I have always had the unpopular view that, if you are purchasing something on the internet you should be paying the sales tax to the state you live in. Would it be a complication for sellers, maybe, but I think a system for the transaction could be created without to much trouble.

I have this opinion, as I think it is unfair to the storefronts that try to compete with lower overhead of internet sales.
I support my local business as much as I can.
 
brad225 said:
I have always had the unpopular view that, if you are purchasing something on the internet you should be paying the sales tax to the state you live in. Would it be a complication for sellers, maybe, but I think a system for the transaction could be created without to much trouble.

I have this opinion, as I think it is unfair to the storefronts that try to compete with lower overhead of internet sales.
I support my local business as much as I can.
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On the basis of "swings and roundabouts" make it simple by every retail outlet charging Sales Tax on every sale, irrespective of where the customer lives, or whether the item is purchased face-to-face or by mail order. Then most customers will choose to buy locally (particularly as they have to pay tax anyway), so no need for inter-state transfer of taxes collected by individual shops. Peter
 
Hear Here said:
On the basis of "swings and roundabouts" make it simple by every retail outlet charging Sales Tax on every sale, irrespective of where the customer lives, or whether the item is purchased face-to-face or by mail order. Then most customers will choose to buy locally (particularly as they have to pay tax anyway), so no need for inter-state transfer of taxes collected by individual shops. Peter
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In theory, I agree with you HH. I would prefer each state receive the tax for its own needs. Yes I understand there is much wasted money in any government unit.
 
Here’s the situation: the tax, if any (Delaware for example has none), than it’s on the individual to remit it. Vendors who do north of say, $800,000 (it varies from state to state) in a particular state per year would then be responsible to collect and remit the tax to that state, otherwise, the individual must remit to their own state.

It would be a nightmare for small businesses otherwise.


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Mike said:
Here’s the situation: the tax, if any (Delaware for example has none), than it’s on the individual to remit it. Vendors who do north of say, $800,000 (it varies from state to state) in a particular state per year would then be responsible to collect and remit the tax to that state, otherwise, the individual must remit to their own state.

It would be a nightmare for small businesses otherwise.
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But if you simply added your local tax of 6.7% (or whatever it is) to every sale (face-to-face and mail order to any US address), there's no administration - in fact far less than you cope with now. Open your till each day, take out the taxman's 6.7% and pocket the rest! Pass on the tax you collect to your state. Likewise every shop in the US. If a few customers want to drive to Delaware, then so be it. It's only one state and likely too much hassle for most buyers who will generally prefer to take advantage of their local outlet's after-sales service, etc. Peter
 
Hear Here said:
But if you simply added your local tax of 6.7% (or whatever it is) to every sale (face-to-face and mail order to any US address), there's no administration - in fact far less than you cope with now. Open your till each day, take out the taxman's 6.7% and pocket the rest! Pass on the tax you collect to your state. Likewise every shop in the US. If a few customers want to drive to Delaware, then so be it. It's only one state and likely too much hassle for most buyers who will generally prefer to take advantage of their local outlet's after-sales service, etc. Peter
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That would be too smart. Not only does every state have a different sales tax rate, but every county in every state has a different rate and there are 3006 counties! The reason is that one county in a state might be needing funds for a road or something and they add % on top of the standard state tax. Then others have rules that the first $1000 is taxed at X% in their county and Y% after that. It’s a bloody mess, as the Brits would say.


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You're right, it's a mess. In my state sales tax even varies between townships..

Mike said:
That would be too smart. Not only does every state have a different sales tax rate, but every county in every state has a different rate and there are 3006 counties! The reason is that one county in a state might be needing funds for a road or something and they add % on top of the standard state tax. Then others have rules that the first $1000 is taxed at X% in their county and Y% after that. It’s a bloody mess, as the Brits would say.


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