Axpona 2017 Official Pictures & Report Thread

mep said:
I only asked because if he likes to see people get wire-brushed in public, I would be happy to oblige him if it was warranted after listening to his speakers.
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Reviewers must have a penchant for hyperbole.:lol:
I didn't "like" anything such, except Jason expressing what he heard, good or bad. Maybe I just like honesty, rather than pretense.
If you as a reviewer can't say a bad word about anyone/thing in industry, especially at an audio show(!), might as well be a cheerleader. :)
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Reviewers must have a penchant for hyperbole.:lol:
I didn't "like" anything such, except Jason expressing what he heard, good or bad. Maybe I just like honesty, rather than pretense.
If you as a reviewer can't say a bad word about anyone/thing in industry, especially at an audio show(!), might as well be a cheerleader. :)
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Audio shows are the worst place to get out your knife out and start carving for all the reasons I stated. If you read my reviews you can form your own opinion.
 
Well, if you can't say anything bad even when you hear what might be to your ears, "bad" sound at an audio show, I think I'll skip.
I'd rather read stuff by folks like Jason, or Mike, etc., who aren't afraid to express what they hear, at least to them.
Others are free to disagree.
 
Since you listen to mostly clipped dynamics MEP how do you expect anyone to take your product reviews seriously.

Btw, what amp does Karl use with his NOLA setup ..??


Anyway , Im really surprised Myles never mentioned this to you when you were in training, Myles has become very sensitive to Dynamic clipping , especially after acquiring Big power for his Magico's...
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Well, if you can't say anything bad even when you hear what might be to your ears, "bad" sound at an audio show, I think I'll skip.
I'd rather read stuff by folks like Jason, or Mike, etc., who aren't afraid to express what they hear, at least to them.
Others are free to disagree.
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You keep assuming I never say anything negative.
 
a.wayne said:
Since you listen to mostly clipped dynamics MEP how do you expect anyone to take your product reviews seriously.

Btw, what amp does Karl use with his NOLA setup ..??


Anyway , Im really surprised Myles never mentioned this to you when you were in training, Myles has become very sensitive to Dynamic clipping , especially after acquiring Big power for his Magico's...
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How many times have I told you that Carl used the Ref 75 with the Nola KOs first with KT120 tubes and then with KT150 tubes? As for clipping all the time, how loud do you listen? Let's do some quick math with the Nola KO speakers rated at 90dB sensitivity:

90dB = 1 watt
93dB = 2 watts
96dB = 4 watts
99dB = 8 watts
102dB = 16 watts
105dB = 32 watts
108dB = 64 watts

108 dB is not a safe average loundness level to listen to and that is less than the RMS output of my amp. The Ref 75 has a beefy power supply that stores 520 Joules. That amount of current reserve will help you ride out crest peaks you love to talk about. Clipping is not an issue in my room which has a very low ambient noise floor and is 9' underground in a room with no windows or doors to outside. Just thick poured concrete walls insulated on the outside and in. You really have no business passing judgement on a system you have never heard. But that is the kind of guy you are.
 
Well i can agree if you throw away the science you can make up anything, as you just did ..



:)

Try it again with a little credibility, Like listening distance ,(instead of using 1M ) 87db (1W) instead of 90db (2watt) sensitivity (its a 4 ohm speaker) , so while i can believe you about the system sounding good with the ref75, ( it's a great sounding amplifier) Im confident your squashing Karls hard work ...


Btw sensitivity ratings were off a bit here too

http://www.stereophile.com/content/...-loudspeaker-measurements#bdj6r8w2UP8tRLS5.97


just saying ...

I have also heard the KO's being driven by big McIntosh monobloc toob amps and i can assure you on the Patricia Barber recording that was being played they were using way more than 200 watts/ ch on peaks..
 
a.wayne said:
Since you listen to mostly clipped dynamics MEP how do you expect anyone to take your product reviews seriously.

Btw, what amp does Karl use with his NOLA setup ..??


Anyway , Im really surprised Myles never mentioned this to you when you were in training, Myles has become very sensitive to Dynamic clipping , especially after acquiring Big power for his Magico's...
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Get your facts right first before you try and use me to ridicule Mark. I had the cj ART amps long before the Magicos took up residence in my system. The amps, in fact, had little to do with what my system's dynamic range at that time either. Then later on after that Magicos arrived, it was the addition of the Doshi phonostage that allowed me to harness what the table and cartridge were capable of doing as well the tape front end that now includes the Doshi Tapestage, FM heads running balanced out and a totally tricked out Technics deck.
 
a.wayne said:
Well i can agree if you throw away the science you can make up anything, as you just did ..



:)

Try it again with a little credibility, Like listening distance ,(instead of using 1M ) 87db (1W) instead of 90db (2watt) sensitivity (its a 4 ohm speaker) , so while i can believe you about the system sounding good with the ref75, ( it's a great sounding amplifier) Im confident your squashing Karls hard work ...


Btw sensitivity ratings were off a bit here too

http://www.stereophile.com/content/...-loudspeaker-measurements#bdj6r8w2UP8tRLS5.97


just saying ...

I have also heard the KO's being driven by big McIntosh monobloc toob amps and i can assure you on the Patricia Barber recording that was being played they were using way more than 200 watts/ ch on peaks..
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You do realize you posted the graphs for the wrong Nola speaker right? The KO is a 90dB sensitivity speaker and Carl specifically wants it run off the 8 ohm tap.

I think I figured out why you love to talk about crest factors so much. Aren't you a salesman for home theater gear in Florida? When you sell home theater gear to people who are trying to reproduce gun battles, cannons, bombs, and car wrecks with their systems at insanely high levels, it's really important to have lots of watts at your disposal. That probably helps explain your love for arc welder SS power amps and why you love to talk about crest factors. Listening to one bomb drop after another is going to bring up the average power requirements quite high. Listening to music that is is averaging less than 4 watts of average power is quite something different.

Maybe I understand now why you don't want to show pictures of your stereo system even though you are constantly crapping on other people's gear. You probably don't even have a stereo system, you have a home theater system because that is what you sell. You like to listen to train wrecks while trying to cause them on forums.
 
Axpona 2017 Official Pictures & Report Thread

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Just some random shots I hadn't uploaded yet.

PS. Hi Ian :)

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mep said:
What you are really bashing is the hotel room and the setup skills employed in a hotel room. My only point is it doesn't do any good to bash the gear after you walk into a hotel room and don't like the sound. I don't sugarcoat anything I hear at rooms and talk about how great something sounded if it sounded like crap to me. I just don't say anything about bad sounding rooms. Are you really going to steer clear of any gear that some person heard at a show and trashed it without knowing what the real culprit was? I take it all with a grain of salt. And besides, some of the rooms at Axpona that some people were raving about and named "best of show" didn't thrill me.
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In some ways, you are making the old Peter B argument - we can agree to disagree.
 
KeithR said:
In some ways, you are making the old Peter B argument - we can agree to disagree.
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I hope not. So you walk into a hotel room and you sit down to "listen" to a bunch of unfamiliar gear in what has to be an unfamiliar system shoved into a hotel room and now you are qualified to pass judgment on all the pieces of gear that made up the system you tried to listen to while other people were in the room yammering? Which is more effort than some people put into "listening" to a room before they pass judgement. I think I remember the big kerfuffle that happened on another forum was based on a member who went to an audio show in CA and passed judgment on a room that he never entered let alone sat down and tried to listen to. He got called out by other people who knew him and saw him at the show stick his head in the door for 15 seconds in the room that he later slammed on the internet.
 
mep said:
So you walk into a hotel room and you sit down to "listen" to a bunch of unfamiliar gear in what has to be an unfamiliar system shoved into a hotel room and now you are qualified to pass judgment on all the pieces of gear that made up the system you tried to listen to while other people were in the room yammering?
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So all show reports are useless.:dunno:
 
AJ Soundfield said:
So all show reports are useless.:dunno:
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I didn't say that. People love to see the pictures of the gear and some rooms do pull off really good sound. That's why I have said numerous times that if you hear something sound really good at a show, chances are good it will sound even better at your house unless your room is worse than a hotel room. The flip side of that is you can't really make the same judgment in reverse for the many rooms with bad sound.
 
mep said:
I didn't say that.
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That is exactly what you said.
So you walk into a hotel room and you sit down to "listen" to a bunch of unfamiliar gear in what has to be an unfamiliar system shoved into a hotel room and now you are qualified to pass judgment on all the pieces of gear that made up the system you tried to listen to while other people were in the room yammering?
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No one is qualified to pass judgement on show rooms. Now you seem to be adding the caveat..unless it "sounds good" (to you we assume)
 
Having done a few shows in the US now, and a few in Brazil as well, I think I can chime in on this topic...

See, a hotel room is not that different from a person's living room. Sure, sizes differ, and the challenges, while different, are just as present. I mean, it's much tougher to deal with a system that must be placed in a living room, off-center, with completely asymmetrical room layouts, than in a reasonably proportioned hotel room.

Also, you can COUNT on electricity in the hotel being of the worst kind, so we always come prepared. PS Audio has saved our bacon many times, with the P10. While it does chop off a bit of dynamics, the stability you gain by using it in a hotel setup far outweights the negatives, specially with tube gear.

It was clear that this year's AXPONA pushed the reviewers to the max, with barely enough time for proper listening. Perhaps an extra day is in order, or a better arrangement to accomodate the reviewer's visits.


cheers,
alex
 
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