Aurender N10

FlexibleAudio said:
Bryan, we still are not on the same page. What you refer too is an old school view on DSD and not the same in a chipless DSD dac which is the heart of my point. Answer my post above and then weigh in.
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Chipless or not, you still have to make the filters, which is my point, but you have your preferences.

Paul, I invite you to bring your favorite DAC here to audition with an Aurender such as the N10, which will be on demo at this weekend's open house sessions with the Bricasti M1. Or try at home.
 
FlexibleAudio said:
Bryan, we still are not on the same page. What you refer too is an old school view on DSD and not the same in a chipless DSD dac which is the heart of my point. Answer my post above and then weigh in.
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Paul,
I posed the matter to Jim Kinne of Exogal (he and Larry Jacoby, also of Exogal, founded Wadia Digital many years ago), and he replied:

The problem with trying to do a analog only reconstruction of a DSD stream is that there is no analog equivalent of noise shaping. You therefore need an analog filter with a very sharp cutoff. That is an extremely complex filter, especially if you don't want to introduce phase and/or edge distortion.

I hope that helps.

If you're in town this weekend come on by for the open house I'm holding, Saturday and Sunday, 1 to 5pm each day. The Aurender N10, Bricasti M1, Bricasti M28 monoblocks, and complete vinyl and CD playback systems will be on demo. If you already have weekend plans contact me for a personal audition here or in your home, and you are welcome to bring your DAC of preference.
 
bpw said:
Paul,
I posed the matter to Jim Kinne of Exogal (he and Larry Jacoby, also of Exogal, founded Wadia Digital many years ago), and he replied:

The problem with trying to do a analog only reconstruction of a DSD stream is that there is no analog equivalent of noise shaping. You therefore need an analog filter with a very sharp cutoff. That is an extremely complex filter, especially if you don't want to introduce phase and/or edge distortion.

I hope that helps.

If you're in town this weekend come on by for the open house I'm holding, Saturday and Sunday, 1 to 5pm each day. The Aurender N10, Bricasti M1, Bricasti M28 monoblocks, and complete vinyl and CD playback systems will be on demo. If you already have weekend plans contact me for a personal audition here or in your home, and you are welcome to bring your DAC of preference.
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Bryan by "analog only reconstruction of a DSD stream" I presume you are referring to the concept of a chipless DSD DAC architecture (i.e., filter only). The fact that the filters are complex doesn't mean those that have figure out how to execute this approach haven't come up with a sound that many prefer to PCM. Lampi is doing it with great success and Andreas Koch tells me his dacs convert DSD 64 to 128 and then go chipless (only because the noise is to great to filter at 64) but he is filter only at 128 and 256 which makes so many love his stuff. (For many the preference for filter only DSD is regardless of wether the material is native DSD or is DSD which has been converted from PCM).
 
I'm very interested in a black N10 - it may be the perfect source for my somewhat atypical, DAC-less system. When will these be available in the USA ?
 
ekovalsky said:
I'm very interested in a black N10 - it may be the perfect source for my somewhat atypical, DAC-less system. When will these be available in the USA ?
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I'll make a call and find out for you today.


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Hyperion said:
Good for you :) I've always been tempted by the black version of the W20 myself.
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Black W20 and silver N10 here. Most people opt for silver, but each has its appeal. The shipment mentioned is to Aurender's sales and distribution center in Burbank, CA.
 
bpw said:
Black W20 and silver N10 here. Most people opt for silver, but each has its appeal. The shipment mentioned is to Aurender's sales and distribution center in Burbank, CA.
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Yes I specifically wanted to black to match my existing gear. It seems like silver is more popular among most brands of late. I've generally bought black equipment. I think I bought my first 'high end' audio system - a bunch of black SAE gear with lots of LED lights, VMPS Super Tower IIA/R speakers, and Kimber cables - when I was in college in the late 1980's. It was pretty sweet rig back in the day lol.

I believe I purchased the original Slim Devices Transporter back in 2006 or so, before Logitech acquired and subsequently neglected and ultimately abandoned the Squeeze lineup - pretty sad since it was the breakthrough product that really defined this whole segment. I subsequently had the Transporter modified by Aberdeen/MauiDan, and it is a good sounding unit that led me to sell some pretty high end CD transports. It will be interesting to see how much improvement the penultimate offering from Aurender's 2015 lineup will bring.

By the way I spoke today with the distributor for Ayon, who is local to me, and I may be able to get a NW-T in here to compare. It is a different beast than the Ayon, eschewing internal storage but adding wifi, a more consumer-oriented front display with cover art, and a handheld remote; I believe it is controlled by 3rd party apps rather than a dedicated one like Surender's.
 
I have one Rick , an excellent piece . I already own the X100L so I was familiar with the interface and the GUI on the app, which are outstanding. I needed a streamer that could simultaneously feed 3 different DACs that I have and this was the only one that fit the bill. Love it .
 
Bobolaclune, how would you describe the differences between the N10 and X100 when it comes ot SQ?
 
Bobolaclune said:
I have one Rick , an excellent piece . I already own the X100L so I was familiar with the interface and the GUI on the app, which are outstanding. I needed a streamer that could simultaneously feed 3 different DACs that I have and this was the only one that fit the bill. Love it .
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That's good to hear. The N10 has been on my radar since it was introduced, but I really like my Bryston BDP. Oh what to do??
 
i had an x100 and it was great, down the line, thinking of the N10-- has anyone compared the two ?? thanks for the inputs.
 
Hi All,

I'm new to this form. I joined to give Brian Walsh at Essential Audio a Big Shout Out
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and a thank you for letting me do a home demo of the Aurender N10. I'm loving every minute of it. This is a serious piece of kit.

The user interface is outstanding. I only have a couple of issues with it. None of them are technical, just being a J. River user I'm use to seeing my library a certain way.

1. No cover art and very little metadata is displayed when using your music files off a NAS or external HDDs.
2. When you select Genre you have the choice of views: Details (list) or cover art. However, when you select Artist you only get the Detail list - no choice to show the cover art.

That's it. Technical wise - it just works. I will send Aurender an Email asking them about this.

So far I love the coolness of it, adding it to my network was easy, the user interface on the iPad is great. Added my NAS with music folders with ease. Navigating around the app is easy and cool as well, mounting the internal drives to add music is just a few quick steps. The integration with Tidal is great and easy to use. Looking out for the integration for ROON.

Sound wise vs. my Custom Music PC based on the C.A.P.S. Hard to tell if it really gives me any more SQ than I'm all ready getting. However, saying that. The SQ is absolutely great. No faults anywhere That I hear. DSD sounds great, PCM sounds great and it renders what ever you through at it with ease.

Needless to say - I'll be getting one of these in Black.

I know of someone that's very interested in the Lumin S1 / A1. They come with a DAC and analog outputs. That way you don't have to worry about things like USB - For me that too restrictive, to be stuck with that DAC. Having the N10 allows you to change DACs if you want to.


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Welcome preproman. The Aurender N10 is a fantastic piece if you want to swap DAC's. It sounds great out of the box and just gets better. When I met with Harry Lee, President of Aurender yesterday, he showed me the upcoming releases for the app and it's fantastic! Aurender also has some other goodies up their sleeve. Stay tuned. [emoji6]
 
My N10 just arrived! Its a cold day today, so I am letting it get to room temperature before I turn it on. Looks like my plans for this evening have been decided.
 
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