Audiophile fight

I watched both vids and the Paul's asking if the null test is infallible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZQHTzYv9I

Within that 3rd video, he discusses hearing differences. I asked this question before and I know it was answered, but I am still puzzled.

If you play a track on a stereo and record that track to a tape or digital, then make a cable change, play and record the track again, if there are any differences it would show up when you overlap the two sound files.

May not mean better, just different.
 
When you have to decide on 2 opposing, you need a third.

Unlike a Mayweather prefight, both present themselves professionally, that’s important, and a public challenge is offered.

Like to see where this goes.


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I hate people like Ethan, try to use logic but although he tries to build up his resume, he obviously still lacks listening experience. I'm not buying his BS. Simply because I've heard and experienced the same as Paul.

It's people like Ethan that keep audio hobbyists ignorant and causes flame wars on forums. I remember back in the 80's when I was still a novice I quit reading Stereo Review after the Julian Hirsch article claiming all amps sound the same. Ethan lost me as soon as he said there's no audible difference in cables. In fact, Ethan actually contradicts himself in the short time I listened, he says all amps that measure the same sound the same, except for personal preference. OK, if they sound the same, how can there be any personal preference??

All I can say for anyone confused is to listen for yourself and trust what YOU hear, that's what matters. No one can tell you what to hear or what you hear, whether it me, Paul or Ethan, or whoever. If you can't hear a difference in cable or amps, then don't waste your money. BUT, if you listen to someone like Ethan and don't try for yourself, you could be cheating yourself out of a lot.
 
In the past, JA from Stereophile has taken down Ethan's claims to be a professional audio engineer. When called out by John, Ethan admitted he has no background in electrical engineering or sciences that focus on engineering. Ethan is just another troll. His stereo consists of an old Pioneer receiver. It's amusing that anyone takes anything he says seriously.

You can see it here, just scroll down to end of the thread: https://www.stereophile.com/content/proof-performance-synergistic-art-1


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Ethan, the rules of this forum are that you _must_ include your company affiliation. Please do so or we will delete the offending posts.

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But I'm not here as a representative of RealTraps. I am here as Scienceman, defender of truth in a world full of BS audio products that work on wishful thinking alone...

Even so, Ethan, you still have to include your affiliation in your postings. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that fact. (And "Science Man"? It is fair to point out that, by your own admission, you have no education or training in the sciences, which is presumably why you don't comprehend the benefits of correctly performed dither, as demonstrated in your AES presentation 2 weeks ago.) The reality is, regardless of the supposed merits, or lack thereof, of any of the products being discussed, that you represent a manufacturer in competition with Synergistic Research, and thus cannot be considered a disinterested observer.
 
It is interesting to see an alternative to the blind test that is grounded in science. Would be very interested in seeing the results of the challenge. But somehow I doubt that it will take place.
 
Ooy, he needs to seriously take a break from this hobby. That’s 30sec I’ll never get back, nothing to see hear, move along.

I think Paul said on his site he was going to ignore this, good on him - way better things to do like listen to music.
 
Swisstrips said:
Ooy, he needs to seriously take a break from this hobby. That’s 30sec I’ll never get back, nothing to see hear, move along.

I think Paul said on his site he was going to ignore this, good on him - way better things to do like listen to music.
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If you jump into the mud with a pig, you're going to get dirty.
 
The thread on SH's site pertaining to Winer's rant was removed.

I'll ask the same question here: remind us, what class-leading preamp, amplifier, DAC, transport, power regen device, etc. has Winer designed and where can I read a review of it?

That's what I thought.
 
The debate won't happen. If it came to it Paul would refuse and Ethan would chicken out. I don't buy into either one of them. (Real Traps is also a joke, dealt with them before and in my opinion they don't know what they are doing except overselling inappropriate room treatment). I know who these guys are, but I'm not into that audiophile stuff or anything. I don't buy into any of these guys or the Stereophiles, etc. I just listen to music, period, end of story. All that matters to me is "does it function correctly and does it sound good to me"?
I do for myself, my own academic research and make my own decisions because at the end of the day since I am the only one listening to my system, my opinion is the only one that matters. It is really the same for everyone. Your system, your choices, your music, your space, your opinion. If you are happy with the sound of your system or you get enjoyment out of it, then why fight?
 
Audiophobiac said:
The debate won't happen. If it came to it Paul would refuse and Ethan would chicken out. I don't buy into either one of them. (Real Traps is also a joke, dealt with them before and in my opinion they don't know what they are doing except overselling inappropriate room treatment). I know who these guys are, but I'm not into that audiophile stuff or anything. I don't buy into any of these guys or the Stereophiles, etc. I just listen to music, period, end of story. All that matters to me is "does it function correctly and does it sound good to me"?
I do for myself, my own academic research and make my own decisions because at the end of the day since I am the only one listening to my system, my opinion is the only one that matters. It is really the same for everyone. Your system, your choices, your music, your space, your opinion. If you are happy with the sound of your system or you get enjoyment out of it, then why fight?
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Well stated.
 
Audiophobiac said:
The debate won't happen. If it came to it Paul would refuse and Ethan would chicken out. I don't buy into either one of them. (Real Traps is also a joke, dealt with them before and in my opinion they don't know what they are doing except overselling inappropriate room treatment). I know who these guys are, but I'm not into that audiophile stuff or anything. I don't buy into any of these guys or the Stereophiles, etc. I just listen to music, period, end of story. All that matters to me is "does it function correctly and does it sound good to me"?
I do for myself, my own academic research and make my own decisions because at the end of the day since I am the only one listening to my system, my opinion is the only one that matters. It is really the same for everyone. Your system, your choices, your music, your space, your opinion. If you are happy with the sound of your system or you get enjoyment out of it, then why fight?
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Audiophobiac.......I couldn't agree more.
 
Audiophobiac said:
The debate won't happen. If it came to it Paul would refuse and Ethan would chicken out. I don't buy into either one of them. (Real Traps is also a joke, dealt with them before and in my opinion they don't know what they are doing except overselling inappropriate room treatment). I know who these guys are, but I'm not into that audiophile stuff or anything. I don't buy into any of these guys or the Stereophiles, etc. I just listen to music, period, end of story. All that matters to me is "does it function correctly and does it sound good to me"?
I do for myself, my own academic research and make my own decisions because at the end of the day since I am the only one listening to my system, my opinion is the only one that matters. It is really the same for everyone. Your system, your choices, your music, your space, your opinion. If you are happy with the sound of your system or you get enjoyment out of it, then why fight?
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Funny as I was reading this I thought, hmm that sure seems logical, never really thought of it that way.

We get bogged down into every minute detail, constantly asking questions on what to do, validating decisions etc.. it’s really a balance I guess, knowing when to stop, take a freaking breath and not worry so much. Just enjoy what you have and maybe not rely so much on what everyone else thinks.

Certainly there is much to learn in this hobby and how far one takes their system, but it has to be fun and enjoyable, not a “job”.
 
Mr Peabody said:
I hate people like Ethan, try to use logic but although he tries to build up his resume, he obviously still lacks listening experience. I'm not buying his BS. Simply because I've heard and experienced the same as Paul.
It's people like Ethan that keep audio hobbyists ignorant and causes flame wars on forums.

All I can say for anyone confused is to listen for yourself and trust what YOU hear, that's what matters.
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x 2 :thumbsup:


mep said:
His stereo consists of an old Pioneer receiver. It's amusing that anyone takes anything he says seriously.
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:snicker::snicker::snicker:
 
Just wondering... Is Paul an engineer or has some technical background? Somehow I always thought he was a marketing fellow?
 
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