Audio Show Rant

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Thought I'd share my thoughts about audio shows while the RMAF is fresh in my mind.

1. I do not believe that you can tell much about a system when the exhibitor is playing his own carefully selected audiophile music. You have no frame of reference unless you just happen to be familiar with that exact track. And even if you are lucky enough to know the track intimately, it is likely to be a track so pristinely recorded and beautifully produced it would sound amazing on most systems. In fact, I would go so far as to say that any member of the audio press that attends a show like this without his own music to demo is unfit to comment on any of the systems.

2. I brought my own music on CD, FLAC, and ALAC. Many exhibitors happily played my music. However, quite a few refused to play my music. This is unacceptable and actually embarrassing for the exhibitor IMO. When I played my own real world mainstream music, the system usually took a major dive in wow factor confirming my point number one.

3. Exhibitors would be well advised to stop bringing enormous 400lb monster speakers to small hotel rooms. First of all, the consumers looking to spend north of $100k on speakers is minuscule, making the speakers less relevant to the typical show goer. But far more important is the fact that these enormous speakers frequently sound bad when confined to these smallish rooms. Bass bloat was a huge problem in many of the higher end rooms IMO.

4. Exhibitors would be well advised to stop playing the music at ear splitting levels. I have polled other audiophiles regarding typical listening levels and I am confident that very few audiophiles regularly listen at the loudness levels many exhibitors seem fond of. Additionally, often the system suffered from sound quality issues when pushed beyond comfortable listening levels. Bass boominess is exacerbated, and treble can become strident in some systems.

5. Manufactures should really hire audiophiles with good listening perception to setup and man these exhibit rooms because when the system had poor performance, it was not unusual for the exhibitor to seem unaware of this.

6. It would be cool if the organizers of the show grouped the rooms by system price. Maybe there was some logic to the layout at RMAF, but it seemed pretty random to me. Would be nice to have the under $10k floor, the under $25k floor, and so on.

Still, had a good time and enjoyed the show.
 
Good points. I have three of my own.


1) RMAF is about the consumer meeting his/her favorite manufacturer and having a glorious experience. So when someone enters the room, get off your a** or stop talking to your buddy and greet the attendee.

2) If the music sounds bad at low levels, turning it up to ear splitting levels won't make it sound one iota better.

3) Screw the music and turn the AC on. If my eardrums are filled with sweat, I'm not going to appreciate the music.
 
Jax-Did they ask you what music you brought before they refused to play it or did they just refuse to play it without knowing what you brought?
 
Jax,

How was the sound in the Devialet/Focal room?

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Jax-Did they ask you what music you brought before they refused to play it or did they just refuse to play it without knowing what you brought?

They never asked what music I brought. But to be fair, it wasn't so much that they refused to play it, but rather they claimed they had no way to play it. Some rooms had no CD player and the person didnt know how to use my USB stick to play my FLAC or ALAC files (which is pretty sad). Part of the blame must be placed on the show goers who apparently rarely bring music. I guess if I was just a looky-lu with no intention of ever owning any high end gear I wouldn't bring music either.
 
Jax-Did they ask you what music you brought before they refused to play it or did they just refuse to play it without knowing what you brought?

I went into one room and asked this clown if they take requests. He looks at me and gives me this condescending look and answers maybe. It really took all my restraint not to walk out of the room then and there. Actually, after listening to the sound of this megabuck system, I'd have been better off if I had.
 
Jax,

How was the sound in the Devialet/Focal room?

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To to be honest, I was not blown away by the devialet room. Not that it sounded bad at all, it just didn't sound as special as I was hoping (I think the speakers were outclassed by the electronics). However, my devialet 200 was waiting for me when I got home. Unpacked it yesterday and have been enjoying it since then. And I am impressed. Still early, but so far happy with the purchase. I will post a mini-review after some more seat time.
 
Couldn't agree more with this. That's the exact thing I ran into when I went to The SHOW in Newport a couple of years ago. Especially #3 and #4 from Jax and #2 from Myles. I ended up staying well outside the door in a number of cases after making the mistake of walking into rooms a few times and sitting down before the demo started. One of the worst was the Wilson room which was really disappointing as I had been wondering what they sounded like for a while. Sadly, I still don't know. I was in there for maybe 3 minutes of the demo before I noticed blood and pain in my ears and made a very fast exit. Well, maybe not blood, but near pain and sadly the speakers sounded horrible which I was not expecting. In fact, if I recall there were only two rooms where they did not play the music at ear pain levels, the KEF room and this other room where they were playing a turntable with a fabulous cut from a Patricia Barber album. I for one, can't stand loud music and want to keep my ears because I can still hear exceptionally well as my ears overcompensate for my eyes, so I kind of need them ya know? (I used to wear plugs to concerts after my first one).
Yes, I don't care if you have the most expensive, greatest, most revealing, perfectly staged speakers on the planet, once you pass a certain volume level it all sounds like crap and in some cases like a torture session of some type.
 
I went into one room and asked this clown if they take requests. He looks at me and gives me this condescending look and answers maybe. It really took all my restraint not to walk out of the room then and there. Actually, after listening to the sound of this megabuck system, I'd have been better off if I had.

Good point, I always felt a bit like I was breaking the unwritten rules by even asking. Two notable exceptions were the BRyston room and the marantz room who both enthusiastically played my music.
 
I went into one room and asked this clown if they take requests. He looks at me and gives me this condescending look and answers maybe. It really took all my restraint not to walk out of the room then and there. Actually, after listening to the sound of this megabuck system, I'd have been better off if I had.

I was too intimidated to ask requests mostly. There was one room with these tiny speakers (Vantoo, I think) producing stunningly big sound (you know, one of those curiosity rooms as you pass by finding yourself failing to resist walking in). Someone else requested Pink Floyd, which was the first rock song I had heard all day (and this was around 4:30pm) and the guy happen to have it and played it. He actually seemed a very nice and fun loving guy so I asked if he had any Rush afterwards (I wanted to see what these things would do with Geddy's bass) and he actually looked and looked, but did not have any apologizing and even told me "hmm, yeah, that would have been a good choice"). At least he was gracious enough to take requests and act on them. So I gave him points for that.
 
Those rooms can be intimidating, I agree, but I don't let that stop me. Most rooms I went to Id wait until it was my turn for attention and I'd ask them to play my music. Like I said, many of the exhibitors were accommodating. And it was indispensable in assessing the equipment. It allowed me to compare the equipment in many rooms with the exact same songs. From that I was able to determine that I had no interest in many of the offerings. But there were exceptions that I was impressed with.
 
I ran in to the same thing in two of the rooms where they were playing LPs. One of the guys said he would play my LPs if I had "anything good." I told him I didn't bring any junk. I guess there are some clowns who bring music on badly trashed LPs and make their systems sound like junk so maybe they are justified in being a little leery. If you bring CDs to a show, good luck finding anyone who can play them. As for bringing digital music on flash drives, I quit doing that because many exhibitors are clueless with what to do with them and most can't play back DSD which is all I used to bring. Another thing to consider now with bringing a USB stick is that you are seen as someone who could potentially introduce a virus into their computer system. USB sticks are used for all sorts of nefarious purposes now days and if I was an exhibitor, I would want to have a separate laptop setup to virus check any USB stick before I plugged it into my music server.
 
I went to my first show a few weeks ago, in NYC, and fortunately, I didn't encounter any rooms that were ear splitting-ly loud. What I did find was a whole lot of rooms that sounded kind of dull on the high end. It just didn't sound realistic. I came away thinking my own system sounded better than most of what I heard.
 
Those rooms can be intimidating, I agree, but I don't let that stop me. Most rooms I went to Id wait until it was my turn for attention and I'd ask them to play my music. Like I said, many of the exhibitors were accommodating. And it was indispensable in assessing the equipment. It allowed me to compare the equipment in many rooms with the exact same songs. From that I was able to determine that I had no interest in many of the offerings. But there were exceptions that I was impressed with.

Were you at the Shark dinner?
 
Couldn't agree more with this. That's the exact thing I ran into when I went to The SHOW in Newport a couple of years ago. Especially #3 and #4 from Jax and #2 from Myles. I ended up staying well outside the door in a number of cases after making the mistake of walking into rooms a few times and sitting down before the demo started. One of the worst was the Wilson room which was really disappointing as I had been wondering what they sounded like for a while. Sadly, I still don't know. I was in there for maybe 3 minutes of the demo before I noticed blood and pain in my ears and made a very fast exit. Well, maybe not blood, but near pain and sadly the speakers sounded horrible which I was not expecting. In fact, if I recall there were only two rooms where they did not play the music at ear pain levels, the KEF room and this other room where they were playing a turntable with a fabulous cut from a Patricia Barber album. I for one, can't stand loud music and want to keep my ears because I can still hear exceptionally well as my ears overcompensate for my eyes, so I kind of need them ya know? (I used to wear plugs to concerts after my first one).
Yes, I don't care if you have the most expensive, greatest, most revealing, perfectly staged speakers on the planet, once you pass a certain volume level it all sounds like crap and in some cases like a torture session of some type.

Quality over quantity. If the system is good, don't need to play the system as ear bleed levels.
 
I ran in to the same thing in two of the rooms where they were playing LPs. One of the guys said he would play my LPs if I had "anything good." I told him I didn't bring any junk. I guess there are some clowns who bring music on badly trashed LPs and make their systems sound like junk so maybe they are justified in being a little leery. If you bring CDs to a show, good luck finding anyone who can play them. As for bringing digital music on flash drives, I quit doing that because many exhibitors are clueless with what to do with them and most can't play back DSD which is all I used to bring. Another thing to consider now with bringing a USB stick is that you are seen as someone who could potentially introduce a virus into their computer system. USB sticks are used for all sorts of nefarious purposes now days and if I was an exhibitor, I would want to have a separate laptop setup to virus check any USB stick before I plugged it into my music server.

Exactly what I felt like saying! Except had to bite my tongue.
 
All true, but lets not forget the many wonderful people that were exhibiting and attending this past weekend:):):)

Sorry, I'm off topic this is a rant thread. Mike needs to add a delete post button.
 
All true, but lets not forget the many wonderful people that were exhibiting and attending this past weekend:):):)

Sorry, I'm off topic this is a rant thread. Mike needs to add a delete post button.

as I said, still a great time.
 
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