Audio Myths?
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I'm the good spock, that´s for sure!
Just a little tired of seeing audiophiles who hear differences (namely in cables) being seen as crazy everywhere on the net...
That's why it's good, after so many years, to talk to someone who shares the same opinion.
Not the same. Stehno goes even further... :audiophile:
:Bow:
I'm the good spock, that´s for sure!
Just a little tired of seeing audiophiles who hear differences (namely in cables) being seen as crazy everywhere on the net...
That's why it's good, after so many years, to talk to someone who shares the same opinion.
Not the same. Stehno goes even further... :audiophile:
:Bow:
Thanks, Spock. Actually I was playing it conservatively. That percentage range is probably closer to 95-100% because to the best of my knowledge the playback system's noise floor threshold (pool?) is entirely electrically-induced. Hence, the 95 - 100% guess with regard to what we hear / don't hear at the speaker and the quality thereof. But not what we hear in the room as that is entirely mechanical and acoustical and part of the acoustical noise floor threshold. Between the service panel and speaker drivers it's all electrical. Between the speaker drivers and room, it's all acoustical. If that makes sense.
BTW, I don't think we necessarily share similar opinions as we discussed a few things a while back and we've enough differences between us. But I'm guessing we share similar passions, which IMO is more important anyway, right? I mean, opinions get us nowhere while passions never cease taking us places.
Thanks, Spock.
BTW, I don't think we necessarily share similar opinions as we discussed a few things a while back and we've enough differences between us. But I'm guessing we share similar passions, which IMO is more important anyway, right? I mean, opinions get us nowhere while passions never cease taking us places.
I think we agree in the fundamental, that´s to say, electricity, vibrations and interferences can kill or elevate a performance of an audio system.
We could “disagree” in the method to mitigate those the negative effects. BUT I´m open mind and always trying to go in the right path and not get lost in the audio maze.
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...opinions get us nowhere while passions never cease taking us places.
Finally something about which I suspect we (almost) all agree
mep
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Finally something about which I suspect we (almost) all agree
This thread is 100% about opinions.
CPP
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I read this recently; Wealth and Wisdom.
"A myth is sort of funny. It is an idea that can be proven somewhat true on one hand and proven false on another. Typically, myths will occur when the results are not predictable by fact. Fact can become myth as new things are discovered and learned, just as myth can become a fact with the discovery of more information. Mankind knows a lot about what it thinks it knows, and knows very little about everything else. Heck, it took man a very long time to get over the idea that the earth was not flat. I am afraid that we are going to have to get over a lot of other things we think are true, but again, that is just my opinion. When it comes to myth, one’s opinion may become more compelling than actual facts involved. Someone declaring that a newborn baby is ugly will never convince the mother of that baby that her child is ugly, even though in a cute sort of way, it is. Myth is something that can be argued with a combination of fact and opinion. Whether it is true or not is in the eye of the beholder.
A fact is a fact. It is what it is. Someone saying it is cold outside (opinion) is different from someone saying it is 20 degrees Fahrenheit outside (fact). An Eskimo may not think 20 degrees is very cold (opinion) while a person from Florida might be shivering (fact). I know, from the medical knowledge that we now possess, that I am going to die someday. Now I don’t mind dying, but I just don’t want to be there when it happens – I will die, that is a fact. Now here is a new phrase. It may be "logical and reasonable” to assume, since it is a fact that I am going to die, that I also might live a long time based on information that is medically known about me. One could also argue that I could die by accident at any moment. So, me living a long time based on my medical information could be somewhat of a myth. Does all of this sound confusing? Yes, because it is. We get all of our information on different levels of myth, opinion, fact and truth. It is not impossible to get various amounts of all four when discussing anything. We get all our information from different groups who represent different things and have different agendas. More knowledge and more education will help you cut through the difference between myth and reality, fact and fiction."
Indeed, however I'd go so far as to say superior means of managing electrical and mechanical energies potentially makes everything else we do pale in comparison.
We could “disagree” in the method to mitigate those the negative effects. BUT I´m open mind and always trying to go in the right path and not get lost in the audio maze.
Fair enough.
I understand you.
Our opinions are supported in the experience. Lot´s of audiophiles support their experiences in others experiences. I know an audiophile that talks about anything in audio forums. When we ask he about is concrete experience with this and with that, we discovered that his experience is only from de keyboard…. :weird: (after all, knowledge is all on the internet, right?):disbelief:
Me too, I think i´m doing something right.
Let me tell a truth story. About 2 years ago, an audiophile friend present me to another audiophile, here in my town who had/has a 100 K system.
Well, we being talking from time to time, and about three months ago he said to me that our common friend was delighted with a power cord that I lent to him. I said that was a power cord made by myself, and he asks if he could try the cable.
I answer, of course. Never come to my mind to make that suggestion to someone who has a system that costs 10X mine.
Well, rigt know he has already 2 power cables and his always thanking me because, his system, in his words, never, never has sounded so good. He was thinking to change the speakers, but no more.
"What kind of magic you do with your cables?”
So, it´s all about opinions but some have a strong practical foundation!:tutu:
Good points. Yes, many of us are exposed to others' stories of their experiences which is not always good. Especially if we've no clue about them or what they really did to encounter that experience. Or even if that experience was true. After all, it could be that somebody just ate too much chili the night before.
That's one reason I like to include an in-room video from time to time. Whether anybody likes or appreciates it or not, whether they listen to it at elevator music levels with earbuds, etc is beyond my scope. But at least I try to substantiate some of my words with some type of example from my listening room.
After all, words are cheap, right? Especially in an audio-only industry.
Oh, yeah. Myth or folklore or preconceived narrative #189. If a system looks good, then it must sound good. It has to.
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Myth number 200.
YouTube Videos of audio systems are meaningful.
YouTube Videos of audio systems are meaningful.
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Assuming that you mean these are meaningless, this is so obvious to me that I am surprised these videos have ever gained traction as a means to compare or evaluate audio systems. For entertainment or simple information (appearance, system components, physical layout, etc.), sure, but not for much else.
pretty sure that's what he meant, regardless and IMO they aren't completely meaningless. Example, someone posts up a vid showing a pair of Martin Logan Stats literally positioned up against a wall or thereabouts. That clearly demonstrates a 'call for help' !
I think I can speak for both of us when I say that we approach this hobby with passion.
Only with passion (for something) you can achieve excellence!
As for the videos, what I think is the following. With a reasonable camera things may not be that far from reality if we know what to look for.
The camera doesn't add anything, it just removes (like the cables).
opcorn: For example, if the treble is clean and extensive, it passes in the recording. It is no longer so easy to pass a good bass. That is, a reasonable camera can reveal a minimally tuned system. On the contrary, there is no system that plays poorly that a video camera can play well.Of course, i will never buy a system without a live audition :scholar:
Exactly. Which makes you wonder about the audiophiles that subscribe by the thousands to a certain YouTube channel.
Funny how some high-end audio enthusiasts and/or music lovers can listen to most any type of playback music yet completely shut down when it comes to in-room recordings. Almost like in-room recordings have cooties or their discerning ears instantly become of no value. I'm curious how one can make that logically work.
And yet I've heard some in-room recordings on youtube sound more musical than many systems I've heard over the years including many exhibiting rooms at shows. Go figure.
And yet I've heard some in-room recordings on youtube sound more musical than many systems I've heard over the years including many exhibiting rooms at shows. Go figure.
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It's pretty simple reasoning. A mono recording, using a cheap microphone recording at 192k MP4, would be laughed at in any discussion of high (or even medium) quality sound. A stereo recording with a decent mic preamp, a pair of Schoeps, Neumann or DPA mics using a binaural head (since headphone listening is the only way to take the listener's own room out of the way), and at least 16/44.1 PCM could be worth consideration; can you give me a link to one of these?
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I have found them useful for me. I have also learned from watching them that half million dollar systems can play back a single female vocalist, who would have imagined that?