ASR Emitter - Any opinion ?

Paul, interesting - potential new acquisition :)

Emitters are supposed to be a good match for the big Tannoys. See the following links (Westminster SE with Emitter 2 Exclusive battery):

Review of Emitter II Exclusive battery March 2013 in Positive feedback :

Here's also a link to the article notice at Jeff Days personal blog:
http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/?p=3487

On the difference between the Emitter 1 and 2, I have always wondered the same, and here is response that I received from Mr Schaefer (which I hope he does not mind me quoting):

"The Emitter I is a very similar construction to Emitter II. The sound figure is similar- but not the same.

From his huge PSU and Elkos etc. the Emitter II is also at very low levels much more powerful, has a much better bass response and deeper broader sound stage.

But it has not such a nearly endless power figure and has lower power especially in the low regions. But in comparison to many other amps of the same price and power rage also the Emitter I is very powerful !

He give the impression of a little bit faster sound - it is more an 3 Liter V6 engine in comparison to an 7 Liter V8 engine like the Emitter II."

Look forward to your impressions soon.

Thank you for the post. I read it some where the version I is slightly sweeter than Version II. Wish I can hear both of them .
 
sounds like you found some gold here Paul, I've always enjoyed the ASR on occasions I've heard it, good stuff...........
 
Paul, any thoughts on the Emitter I? Or, too busy contemplating whether to go for the Emitter II :)?
 
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How does it compare to the Shindo and NAF then? SET with power?
 
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How does it compare to the Shindo and NAF then? SET with power?

The NAF is being build in Italy as I speak. Expecting to ship it by 7th April. :) Who knows how long does it take to get here :o
 
Not enough posts to send an email...sigh...

Jim...the ASR 2 is on my "short list" of amps...the others being Vitus SS 102 or Dartzell 108. Whatever the purchase decision is it will not be new...simply cannot afford new but I can afford less than 3 years old. The ASR offers the best value for me & allows me to sell my bespoke WE 205D Pre...

What did you have to do to get the ASR 2 operating at its best...very interested to hear your experience & expertise...

Save cluttering up this thread you can send me an email if you prefer...

Really appreciate your help...

Thanks

Rob

PS Have not worked out how to reply with a quote yet as I wanted to contact Jim...
 
Hi Rob,

Not sure if my saga will help, but you asked for it: :)

Having heard most of the amps out there (with the exception of the Vitus), today I feel that the ASR 2 Exclusive (only the Exclusive - with the battery power supply line stage) is the best amp I have ever heard. Here’s caveat #1 – that’s on my system with my Canterburys.

Some more caveats – again, on my system:

2 - This is with the direct unbalanced input. The balanced input is via transformer, and not exactly the direct connection that the balanced offers, even if you prefer balanced connections.

3 - I find that the amp - when operated in Position 2 - offers fabulous, musically involving sound – unmatched in that aspect IMO, for about 10 hours or so after after it was warmed up for at least an hour. It continues to sound very good for another 24 hours or so, but not quite at the fabulous level, IMO. But I never listen seriously for 10 hours at a stretch, so it is never a problem for me. And it recharges pretty fast. As long as the battery charge indicators have at least six lights illuminated, and it’s still in that eleven hour or so window (10 + 1 hour warm-up), it is in the zone. Don’t misunderstand – it is still among the best, maybe even THE best afterwards. But within that window, I honestly cannot hear anything to criticize.

4 - When listening seriously, I unplug the battery power supply from the wall. I know it is supposed to be isolated but I think it is better unplugged – not huge and I could be fooling myself on this one.

5 - I have to keep the 2 output stage power supplies as far removed from the control unit as possible.

6 - I use an internal switch on the control unit’s main circuit board – I think it is called Enhance – for my Tannoys.

7 - I didn’t like the ringing of the heat sinks (a not uncommon problem with most SS amps). So I damped each of them in a narrow area that would not effect heat dissipation.

8 - A taste caveat - This definitely gets into the realm of tuning to taste. Although I have all 4 of my ASR pieces on my preferred Grand Prix Audio F1 amp stands, I still preferred the overall Tone with the components on Ikea Bamboo cutting boards on the stands – not neutral in the purest sense – it was simply my preference. I also I used Cardas Myrtle Block a instead of the supplied feet. Lastly, I also used specially cut Ikea boards on top of each of the components.

Looking at my list above, it would probably deter me from the ASR2 Exclusive - except that I did the tweaks over time, and I have never encountered another amp nearly as musically involving in my system.

Below is an image of the set-up before my most recent system changes. The ASR is still the same. The battery power supply is behind the control unit, but it is set-up with the same F1 amp stands, Ikea, Cardas tweaks.

Just in case you don’t know, each of the three power supplies are heavy, and the control unit is very heavy (even without power supplies!).


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Jim...

Really appreciate your response & yes that is exactly what I was looking for...a warts & all summation of the ASR 2 from a man with the knowledge & expertise in this crazy HiFi world. Your list is no deterrent at all & understand totally the tweaking to improve/enhance your preferred sound. What did you use to negate the ringing of the heat sinks & how did you implement that in a way that did not reduce the heat dissipation. Are the top Ikea boards the same as those on the base...

Love your room & the setup...note that you have a similar to Jeff's...speakers...outboard crossovers...etc...when you get the opportunity would love to see a photo of your latest changes.

Thank you so very much

Rob
 
Rob,

These images should answer your questions:

Heat resistant tape over rubber pads between heat sinks of control unit:

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Ikea top surface board, cut to allow heat to escape from imprinted top plate of power supply:

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Ikea top board on control unit:

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Latest room set-up:

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I have been using an ASR E2 for the last 4 years. It drove my previous Wilson Sasha to its best (compared with CJ Premier 8, Krell KAS-2, Ayre MRXI used). It now drives my Magico S5 with excellent results. The ASR sound is relaxed, slightly dark and sweat, with an almost tube-like palpable mid-range (like the CJ), and yet has the power and control of good SS amp. Background is dead quiet/dark. I sometime may wish for slightly more extended highs but wouldn’t exchange for its quality. I also bought and borrowed some other SS amps to try on the S5 (Vitus RI-100, Plinius SA Ref) but I still ended up keeping the ASR. ASR's boss Frederic Schaefer is most friendly. He usually answers your emails within 24 hours.
I have heard the ASR E1 at a friend’s place. He was comparing with an E2 (boy, the number of boxes). In that session we actually slightly preferred the E1 for its more delicate and refined sound on smaller scale music, such as female vocals or quintets, although we felt the E2 threw a deeper soundstage. Definitely worth trying if you have efficient Speakers.

Hello from Germany,
I am new here. I am a big ASR fan. I have owned 4 Emitters since 1989. I bought the Gauder Akustik RC7 MK2 loudspeaker recently . My ASR Emitter 2 HD Akku is 18 years old by now. Some updates were made, but a new amplifier would probably be a good idea. CharlesL mentioned 3 amps I am thinking about: ASR Emitter 2 exclusice (2016 Edition), Devialent 400 and Vitus RI 100. Can you elaborate on the sound differences? I asked my dealer and he had the idea of Vitus RI 100 + RCD 100. I like the full, rich and deep sound of the Emitters very much. I listened to the Dartzeel 8550 and was not very impressed.
Thanks
Dirk

Gauder Akustik RC 7 MK II / HGP Fuga ST / Infinity 9.2i / Infinity 9a
ASR Emitter II HD Akku / ASR Emitter II plus
Wadia 830 / Oppo 105 tuned by Gert Volk Audio / Simon Yorke S9 / Amazon1 + SME V
Omtec Antares Phono Pre
Magnan, Acoustic Zen + Aural Symphonics Cable
Shun Mook
 
Hi Dirk. The ASR is a great sounding amp. Jim Smith here uses one. If you're going Vitus, try to step up to their Class A products - that's where the magic happens. As for the Devialet, well, the 400 is now discontinued and the 440 is the new one. I can't get a handle on the differences quite yet because I haven't compared my 400 to a 440. The best reason to go Devialet would be SAM and I believe I see SAM for your speakers, so that's good.

Do you have the specs on your speakers? Dr. Gauder isn't big on publishing specs.

I heard your speakers at CES this year. Very nice. I think they were driving them with Accuphase. The A-200's would be a nice match.


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I have been very happy with my 2015 Emitter I for nearly two years. I have never heard the Dartzeel integrated in my system but I had the 108/18 pre/amp combo for many years. It would be a tough call if the Dartzeel amp was better able to drive my Vivid G2 because the tonality and emotional connection was superb. Realty is that it just couldn't create the suspended belief that my Emitter does for me. The only downside with the Emitter (for some) is that you have to deal with three boxes and all that goes with it.

Bottom line is that the Emitter will not hold you back and has the potential to provide absolute top notch sound. You just need to fill in the all the other holes that comes along with any quality system.

Looks like Jim and I have the same taste in racks, too. :roflmao:
 

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Hello all

I was the owner of a ASR emitter ii exclusive blue for 9 years, together with DCS Puccini and Proac loudspeakers. Cabling was nordost valhalla.

The ASR was the most natural and emotional amplifier I knew. The soundstage was fenomenal. I miss it a lot. Unfortunately it was 4 big boxes and didnt have room for them in my new smaller home. Note that I auditioned amps like krell pass dartzeel jadis macintosh vtl before buying the ASR.

Must also point that the support from the ASR people was really really good.


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Hello from Germany,
I am new here. I am a big ASR fan. I have owned 4 Emitters since 1989. I bought the Gauder Akustik RC7 MK2 loudspeaker recently . My ASR Emitter 2 HD Akku is 18 years old by now. Some updates were made, but a new amplifier would probably be a good idea. CharlesL mentioned 3 amps I am thinking about: ASR Emitter 2 exclusice (2016 Edition), Devialent 400 and Vitus RI 100. Can you elaborate on the sound differences? I asked my dealer and he had the idea of Vitus RI 100 + RCD 100. I like the full, rich and deep sound of the Emitters very much. I listened to the Dartzeel 8550 and was not very impressed.
Thanks
Dirk

Hi Dirk, Welcome to the forum. I enjoyed all 3 amps driving my Magico S5: ASR E2, Devialet 400, Vitus RI-100, and my preference is in that order.

I sold my RI-100 already. I think one has to go for Class A for fully appreciating Vitus' sound. Furthermore the RI-100 volume control was sometimes too coarse at my normal listening level (and the sensitivity of my system). I felt the SIA-025 was "substantially better" but then I only heard it in a different environment.

The Devialet has a more sunny (bright yet not lean) character. It is slightly not as sweat and relaxed as the ASR, but it has more bass volume and control. With SAM adjustment, one may be able to dial in the right balance for the room. It would be interesting to compare the ASR with the new Devialet 440.

--Charles
 
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