Are they going to destroy audio?

kzhtoo said:
At least I don’t equate the danger of guns to class A amps. It’s simply common sense.
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Let me try to explain this one last time so a brick wall can understand the concept. It has nothing to do with guns.

Dictator decides you can no longer buy or sell X.

X can be ICE engines
X can be gas lawnmowers
X can be Guns
X can be any electrical device they deem uses too much electricity

Is that clear enough?
 
Shadowfax said:
Let me try to explain this one last time so a brick wall can understand the concept. It has nothing to do with guns.

Dictator decides you can no longer buy or sell X.

X can be ICE engines
X can be gas lawnmowers
X can be Guns
X can be any electrical device they deem uses too much electricity

Is that clear enough?
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Shadowfax said:
Canada just did this with Guns. You can't buy New and you can't buy Used and you can't sell your own used. It won't stop there or with that one item.
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You’re the one who brought guns into this and started all this. In fact, you’re the one who always consistently bring politically charged comments into many threads on this very forum. If you wanna talk politics, go somewhere else other than audio forums.

For the 3rd time, it’s only common sense man.

Note: I own guns. I have three V6’s and don’t own an EV. And my amp is class A up to 12 watts.
 
Hahaha

Listen Trudeau is a full blown idiot , but a dictator he is not. You clearly know nothing about our political system…. And I suppose you shouldn’t in all fairness

I have no idea what ridiculous “media” your reading but I have to say some of your chatter is the wrong side of the crazy matrix.

Seriously , your narrative is very odd indeed

Edit… my comment was meant for “Shadowfax”….. ( I suppose his name says it all)
 
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ADCO said:
Hahaha

Listen Trudeau is a full blown idiot , but a dictator he is not. You clearly know nothing about our political system…. And I suppose you shouldn’t in all fairness

I have no idea what ridiculous “media” your reading but I have to say some of your chatter is the wrong side of the crazy matrix.

Seriously , your narrative is very odd indeed

Edit… my comment was meant for “Shadowfax”….. ( I suppose his name says it all)
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Awe, you hurt Shadowfax's feelings. Gandalf may have to put a spell on you.

Seriously, do you honestly think that a border between Canada and the US prevents friendships and information sharing?

And as far as the Matrix goes, we shall see

Cheers!
 
kzhtoo said:
You’re the one who brought guns into this and started all this. In fact, you’re the one who always consistently bring politically charged comments into many threads on this very forum. If you wanna talk politics, go somewhere else other than audio forums.

For the 3rd time, it’s only common sense man.

Note: I own guns. I have three V6’s and don’t own an EV. And my amp is class A up to 12 watts.
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Guns, Lawnmowers, and ICE Cars were all EXAMPLES of someone telling others that you cannot buy or sell something. All your "Common Sense" should have clued you in. Again for the last time Guns have nothing to do with audio, but where does telling someone they can or cannot buy something of their choice stop? I already gave 3 Real World current event examples. The OP asked if it was possible that something similar could kill Class A Audio Gear. Luxman hinted to Yes.

And you win once again, I only have 1 V6 and my amp only does Class A up to 5 or 6 watts.

OK, back to our regularly scheduled program.
 
Shadowfax said:
Guns, Lawnmowers, and ICE Cars were all EXAMPLES of someone telling others that you cannot buy or sell something. All your "Common Sense" should have clued you in. Again for the last time Guns have nothing to do with audio, but where does telling someone they can or cannot buy something of their choice stop? I already gave 3 Real World current event examples. The OP asked if it was possible that something similar could kill Class A Audio Gear. Luxman hinted to Yes.

And you win once again, I only have 1 V6 and my amp only does Class A up to 5 or 6 watts.

OK, back to our regularly scheduled program.
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For the last time, guns isn’t a remotely good example for this case, for its obvious lethal and destructive nature that class A amps just aren’t.
Don’t always bring in these to ruin threads.

In this forum, only you could think of equating guns ban to any other environmental regulations and talk as if you’re “educated and well informed”, and the rest of us need to be aware of some strategic scheme by the government or “dictator” (which later you retracted to “someone”).

Seriously, lose some of the stuff you read on the internet. They need common sense to distinguish what’s real and what’s not.
 
Shadowfax said:
We had a nice meal at a local church with my 94 year old mother. Hope you and everyone else that celebrates had a nice day and meal yesterday.
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It was superb, my niece made a superb apple and pumpkin pie plus the Bills won another game in Detroit, albeit with the losing of Von Miller for who knows how long ???
 
kzhtoo said:
For the last time, guns isn’t a remotely good example for this case, for its obvious lethal and destructive nature that class A amps just aren’t.
Don’t always bring in these to ruin threads.

In this forum, only you could think of equating guns ban to any other environmental regulations and talk as if you’re “educated and well informed”, and the rest of us need to be aware of some strategic scheme by the government or “dictator” (which later you retracted to “someone”).

Seriously, lose some of the stuff you read on the internet. They need common sense to distinguish what’s real and what’s not.
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Wow, you are still stuck on the Gun example. And if you go back to post #156, you will see it was a perfect example to a statement made by someone from Canada. It was also the first example that came to mind. Had I remembered Lawnmowers and ICE Engines I may have used those first.

Now again you misread my last post also. I never back tracked anything. When I used the word "Someone" it meant you, me, the people.

So just forget about the Gun example, I can answer ADCO's original claim now with just Lawnmowers and Cars. So please focus on these two examples and tell me that certain people or groups of people are not telling "Someone" what they can and cannot buy or sell.
 
Shadowfax said:
Wow, you are still stuck on the Gun example. And if you go back to post #156, you will see it was a perfect example to a statement made by someone from Canada. It was also the first example that came to mind. Had I remembered Lawnmowers and ICE Engines I may have used those first.

Now again you misread my last post also. I never back tracked anything. When I used the word "Someone" it meant you, me, the people.

So just forget about the Gun example, I can answer ADCO's original claim now with just Lawnmowers and Cars. So please focus on these two examples and tell me that certain people or groups of people are not telling "Someone" what they can and cannot buy or sell.
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Can’t “forget about the gun example” because the train wreck started when you brought it in to compare with class A amps. That is the sole reason I started to participate because common sense is under attack. Unless you issue apology for bringing in guns, this is still my main issue in this entire fiasco. Atmasphere has also pushed back this nonsense in post #160 much more eloquently than I.

You can continue to bs all you want, the reason guns are banned will never be the same reason for class A amps even if they do get banned for whatever minuscule chance it has.
 
Shadowfax said:
Wow, you are still stuck on the Gun example. And if you go back to post #156, you will see it was a perfect example to a statement made by someone from Canada. It was also the first example that came to mind. Had I remembered Lawnmowers and ICE Engines I may have used those first.

Now again you misread my last post also. I never back tracked anything. When I used the word "Someone" it meant you, me, the people.

So just forget about the Gun example, I can answer ADCO's original claim now with just Lawnmowers and Cars. So please focus on these two examples and tell me that certain people or groups of people are not telling "Someone" what they can and cannot buy or sell.
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How exactly does Lawn mowers and ICE engines answer anything …. Because you say so?

You just better hope they don’t ban aluminum foil or you won’t be able to make your hats anymore
 
Tl;dr way too much acrimony stubbornness and judgement in here.

Came to ask the only important question: when Class A amps are outlawed, will I have to elude the Eyes on Sundays and go far outside the wire to my uncle’s country place that no-one knows about, just to listen to one? Red Ampchetta.
 
When class A amps are outlawed, only outlaws will have class A amps.

The reason to use class A (and take it from someone that has made class A amps for 50 years...) is to improve linearity since you can't apply the feedback to do it any other way. Put another way, when the amp is designed class A, its tacit admission on the part of the designer that the amp has insufficient feedback. I know this because its precisely why our class A amps are class A. Tubes don't allow you to apply the feedback that is really required to allow it to do its job properly.

This is true of 99% of solid state amps ever made too. So class A is a method used by solid state designers as well to improve linearity since feedback simply can't be applied to do the job instead.

However, advances in semiconductors in the last 25 years have allowed for amplifiers that do have greater amounts of feedback. And so these amps no longer need class A operation to have the same linearity.

The only bit that is missing is that even designers fail to realize that the distortion of the amplifier is also its 'sonic signature' as so the distortion present, however small, must be as innocuous as possible. So some amps that are low distortion really aren't that musical as a result. But some are!

The issue here isn't environmental, although that certainly is a concern to those that like to spend time outside enjoying what the natural world has to offer. The real issue is about technology advancing. It has a way of doing that BTW, which is why side valves aren't used in cars anymore and why modern cars with computers and not only more efficient, but more powerful too, often with less displacement (my Ford Expedition has 3x the horsepower of my old Bronco and gets better mileage too...). The same thing is happening before our eyes with amplification.

Because of that, class A amplifiers will go away and it won't be because of government regulation! Now y'all know I'm a manufacturer... the biggest single complaint we get is 'the heat of all those tubes'. People like amps that run nice and cool, and yes they want it to sound right too. They want to be able to hear it over their air conditioning though! This factor is affecting all manufacturers of class A amplifiers.

Right now its a pretty free market in the world of high end amplifiers. Its the market that is slowly choking out class A amps, not anything else. You might make up a lot of stories about how dictators are causing class A to go away but when it comes down to it the simple fact is people don't like the heat (and the power draw). For a long time there was nothing for it; if you wanted the best sound you were going to have heat too. But that's changed a lot in the last 25 years (better semiconductors now) and manufacturers are well aware of this fact. So class A is going away because manufacturers know they can sell more product if it doesn't run as hot.
 
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