Apple Music will overtake Spotify's active users in the first month.

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Place your bets: A three month free trial w/ 800M credit cards on file; even at 5% acceptance rate, Apple Music will overtake Spotify's active users in the first month.

https://www.apple.com/music/

$10/ month OR $15 a month for the whole family. There is no more free lunch after the first three months.

(Audio fans take notice- Apple does have all your precious music in 24 bit / 96 kHz and higher. Which they use to create the Mastered for iTunes program https://www.apple.com/itunes/mastered-for-itunes/

It's only a matter of time until the infrastructure is there to support 24bit and higher streaming)
 
with a pay-only app, not so sure on that. let's face it, most people hate paying for music- of spotify's base, only 1/4 pay. and in 3 months after the grace period, then the comparison really begins.

also, iRadio didn't exactly ruin Pandora's base.

i have an iTunes account and have downloaded 2 songs in 10 years. 800mm users isn't the real # of active users.
 
KeithR said:
with a pay-only app, not so sure on that. let's face it, most people hate paying for music- of spotify's base, only 1/4 pay. and in 3 months after the grace period, then the comparison really begins.

also, iRadio didn't exactly ruin Pandora's base.

i have an iTunes account and have downloaded 2 songs in 10 years. 800mm users isn't the real # of active users.
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Good point When September rolls around and all the kids are in school/college we'll see if the summer love carries on.

What do you think Apple Active users is?
 
I've only bought 1 iTunes song in 10 years. "I'm too Sexy for that car.... - Right said Fred". Soon my credit card expires. Can't see streaming being a long term monopoly. There are antitrust issues at play.
 
So far I have bought zero songs via iTunes. I just use the software to rip CDs to ALAC, and that is because my first music server was an iPod Classic and a Wadia iTransport (170/171) dock. I still use that, and a Benchmark DAC1, for work music.
 
I'm using Spotify at the gym on my iPhone. I pay 20PLN (~7 USD) for premium account here in Poland, so I do not see myself migrating anytime soon.
 
Steve said:
I've only bought 1 iTunes song in 10 years. "I'm too Sexy for that car.... - Right said Fred". Soon my credit card expires. Can't see streaming being a long term monopoly. There are antitrust issues at play.
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That's a funny song. What anti trust issues?

BlueFox said:
So far I have bought zero songs via iTunes. I just use the software to rip CDs to ALAC, and that is because my first music server was an iPod Classic and a Wadia iTransport (170/171) dock. I still use that, and a Benchmark DAC1, for work music.
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in 2008 I walked into a NH HiFi shop and I had my iPod Classic with me. The dealer hooked it up to the Wadia iTransport and into a Bryston DAC. I was really impressed. (The rest of the system was a naim superuniti and triangle Magellan speakers.)

Re: Apple Music - not 100% take over of streaming. We will always need the "analog" version of the digital counterpart. Just like when the GPS fails, we need a paper map.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else think this stuff is getting old?
Not a chance and if so it's only because the whole game is rigged. The whole thing smacks of anti-trust to me, but that's the way things are done now.
I don't have any skin in the game, so let the principles fight it out. I have a Spotify subscription and for now that is good enough for my uses, which is sparse. I don't care, when I listen to music it's on vinyl or CD at worst and that's it. If all the streaming services were to shut down tomorrow, it would make my research more difficult, but would not end my world for me.
 
Steve said:
Bill....Read this letter. If US Attorny Generals are already looking at antitrust prosecution in two states, other countries will be too. EU are quick to jump onto this sort of thing.

http://www.ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/pdfs/bureaus/antitrust/UMG_letter.pdf
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Steve- nothing specific to Apple in that letter. Further it's just a letter from a law firm to government agency. Has there been a response?

MusicDirector said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think this stuff is getting old?
I have a Spotify subscription and for now that is good enough for my uses, which is sparse. I don't care, when I listen to music it's on vinyl or CD at worst and that's it. If all the streaming services were to shut down tomorrow, it would make my research more difficult, but would not end my world for me.
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Streaming Music has only just begun. Most of us here have been living with physical media most of our lives; it's understandable for the affinity to not do streaming . Streaming is here for those who want it.

Personally, I've have found over 2,000 new albums through Tidal and before that hundreds with MOG, Spotify and Rhapsody. I agree that if streaming went away it would reduce my ability sample music all by myself. Still, the number one way of getting good music recommendations has always been word of mouth (here, friends, etc..)
 
MusicDirector said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think this stuff is getting old?
Not a chance and if so it's only because the whole game is rigged. The whole thing smacks of anti-trust to me, but that's the way things are done now.
I don't have any skin in the game, so let the principles fight it out. I have a Spotify subscription and for now that is good enough for my uses, which is sparse. I don't care, when I listen to music it's on vinyl or CD at worst and that's it. If all the streaming services were to shut down tomorrow, it would make my research more difficult, but would not end my world for me.
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Eric.......I'm with you. I'm not paying for streaming music. In the past I have subscribed to Spotify, LastFM, MOG, Pandora, Deezer, and Tidal. None of them lasted because I primarily listen to vinyl, CD's and SACD's, or high-res FLAC downloads on my music servers. When I do decide to use my Sonos streamer I listen to streaming radio from all over the world for FREE. I don't give a hoot that I can't pick my songs or sample this track or that. That's the fun of it. I enjoy what is programed for me. Lately I have been streaming Radio Swiss Jazz and loving it. There is so much musical entertainment available on the Internet for free that it makes no sense for me to pay a fee to anyone for their stream. I don't care that it is MP3 quality, either. When I listen to streaming radio it is usually at low volume in the background while I am involved in other things so I am not critical. If I want to sample new music for possible purchase to add to my CD, SACD, vinyl, or download libraries it can easily be done on all the music purchasing websites. Amazon lets you sample nearly everything they have online and that's free. I don't mind spending money for music but when I do I want to own it not rent it for a moment. I want to have physical possession of my music libraries. I still purchase plenty of CD's, SACD's, vinyl, and high-res downloads and will continue to do so. Paying monthly rent to stream music is not my cup of tea. I am over it. Like you, I could care less if all the pay for streaming websites were shuttered tomorrow. It would not impact my musical enjoyment one iota.
 
Double-D said:
Eric.......I'm with you. I'm not paying for streaming music. In the past I have subscribed to Spotify, LastFM, MOG, Pandora, Deezer, and Tidal. None of them lasted because I primarily listen to vinyl, CD's and SACD's, or high-res FLAC downloads on my music servers. When I do decide to use my Sonos streamer I listen to streaming radio from all over the world for FREE. I don't give a hoot that I can't pick my songs or sample this track or that. That's the fun of it. I enjoy what is programed for me. Lately I have been streaming Radio Swiss Jazz and loving it. There is so much musical entertainment available on the Internet for free that it makes no sense for me to pay a fee to anyone for their stream. I don't care that it is MP3 quality, either. When I listen to streaming radio it is usually at low volume in the background while I am involved in other things so I am not critical. If I want to sample new music for possible purchase to add to my CD, SACD, vinyl, or download libraries it can easily be done on all the music purchasing websites. Amazon lets you sample nearly everything they have online and that's free. I don't mind spending money for music but when I do I want to own it not rent it for a moment. I want to have physical possession of my music libraries. I still purchase plenty of CD's, SACD's, vinyl, and high-res downloads and will continue to do so. Paying monthly rent to stream music is not my cup of tea. I am over it. Like you, I could care less if all the pay for streaming websites were shuttered tomorrow. It would not impact my musical enjoyment one iota.
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Right on Dan. Except I am still a premium subscriber to Spotify as I only use it for researching new music or sampling possible purchases. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Amazon give 30 second samples only? (I used to use amazon for sampling for possible purchase until streaming came about). That's really about the only reason I have a subscription to Spotify, otherwise I don't think I would need it.
If I hear something I like I purchase the physical media (vinyl or CD, depending). I'm not into downloading my music either. I would rather pay $1 to $20 for a LP or CD than $1 per file or $10 for a downloaded LP to later end up being accidentally deleted or somehow corrupted. Besides I don't use my PCs as a source, it's too much trouble. (I have a Squeezebox).

I also want to own what I like and not rent it at MP3 quality or even CD quality depending on what it is. I'm tactile anyway and have to hold the album jacket in my hand and read all the notes and credits and everything because I'm a nerd or something.
I'll put on free pandora or internet radio in background while I'm working on something or whatever, but not for listening because I could care less about sound quality with that situation.

~Eric
 
Bill...Reports say that the whole streaming industry is being investigated for anti-trust violations with Apple Music being singled out. Who knows if it will go anywhere. Someone has to spill their guts first for it to get legs.
 
Steve said:
Bill...Reports say that the whole streaming industry is being investigated for anti-trust violations with Apple Music being singled out. Who knows if it will go anywhere. Someone has to spill their guts first for it to get legs.
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Okay- I guess I do not understand. I pay $20 to lease Tidal's library after that I have no idea what happens. I am betting that families are going to go for the $15 all you can eat Apple Music and not care where that money goes after.
 
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