Anyone Hear the New .8 Amps Yet

Thanks Ian. My experience with the HC's is the same as yours. I'm going to continue to break them in, but bass is as you described. I absolutely love my Alpha Digital and Alpha Analogs though. Just not sold on the HC's - yet. Need more burn in time I think.

If you prefer the .5's, can you just keep them? If not, are you considering other alternatives?

Thanks, Mike. I thought of you today thinking back to the comments of some folks who were at your house listening to your system and reporting that they thought they heard some bass overhang and that you thought you addressed it by taking out the Shunyata Alpha HC's.

I can still keep the .5's and return the .8's. I haven't committed yet.
 
Ian, I have the HC's in my system right now, on loan from David Baskin. I've found that after about 500 hours they have transformed the sound of my system. The HC's have removed another layer of background grunge and at this time my system has never sounded better. Be patient, I think everything will come together !
 
Ian, I have the HC's in my system right now, on loan from David Baskin. I've found that after about 500 hours they have transformed the sound of my system. The HC's have removed another layer of background grunge and at this time my system has never sounded better. Be patient, I think everything will come together !

Thanks, Mark, that's good to hear. Someone on another forum mentioned something similar, so I will continue to burn them in.
 
Ian, I have the HC's in my system right now, on loan from David Baskin. I've found that after about 500 hours they have transformed the sound of my system. The HC's have removed another layer of background grunge and at this time my system has never sounded better. Be patient, I think everything will come together !

Very cool Mark! You like them better than the Pythons?
 
Very cool Mark! You like them better than the Pythons?

Mike, the Alpha HC's are replacing my Cobra's. and yes i think right now I like them better.

I'm going to pull them out and put my Cobras back in and then listen for the differences.
 
Any updates on the new amps Ian ?

Yes, Mark. It's been a strange journey. I'm not sure what I last reported but this is the latest:

I almost gave up on the .8's because the bass seemed to overpower everything else. I spent some time re-positioning my speakers, putting Stillpoints under the amps, switching power cords etc. I am taking the Shunyata HC's out of the equation for the time being (one less factor to distort the evaluation). I did try the stock power cord as per someone's suggestion and while the bass is thinner and crisper, the treble is very unpleasant. I'm sure this power cord could use some break in time, but after 20 hours I couldn't take it any more and I went back to my MIT cable (which is 2 years old) yesterday.

A funny thing happened. While the sound was immediately fuller, some of the treble harshness remained. Made me wonder if the previous power cord's effects were still there - in some form of stored energy (the amps were shut off only for seconds while I swapped the power cords). After about 4 hours the harshness was gone and the bass seemed a lot more realistic in terms of size and texture and not muddying up the midrange. I listened late last night and again this morning (amps remained on this entire time).

I swear something has changed in the amps.

My overall thoughts is that the overall tonal balance is closer to where I'd like it, but I'm still missing 'air' and it's a little on the dark side. It's not muddy or boomy though and that's extremely important. The bass is incredibly authoritative and controlled. It digs very very deep. It will bring some slam and punch to recordings that didn't seem to have any before - great for 70's rock. It's not boomy. One of my acid tests is Diana Krall's "All Or Nothing At All" where it opens with close mic'd standup bass that is fast and thick. I get every note with texture, speed and articulation. It's thick, but still detailed.

I'm getting a very 'fleshy' presentation. In contrast, on the .5 the bass is much thinner sounding, the presentation is leaner. I hear gobs of detail, lots of air (and I like air...) and I can put much more flesh on it by using the Shunyata power cords. But even then it's not as full and meaty as the .8's.

The fleshy presentation of the .8's does do a great job with female vocals. Sax's also sound great. It can be a little strange to feel some slam and have my floor vibrate to the acoustic bass of 50's jazz recordings, but it's not unpleasant either.

I have 3 Stillpoints under each amp but I'm told from someone on another forum that I really need amp stands and that the Stillpoints on carpet aren't going to yield good results so I guess I'm going to look into that. I don't have the Stillpoints under my Alexias because they thickened and slightly loosened the really deep bass and that bothered me. I will try them again once I think the bass is good.

These amps have monstrous power and (I'm using this word a lot) authority. They sound like Pass amps but are in another league for sure. The next few days are going to be very important in terms of evaluation as my audition period is going to run out and I'm not fully decided between the .5's and the .8's - only because I love the open and airy high end of the .5's and have managed to improve their bass with the Shunyata HCs.

Ian
 
Ian, Thanks for the very detailed description of the .8's. Fascinating to hear about your journey. May I ask roughly how many hours the amps have played at this point? Based on the descriptions from Pass I would expect the "open and airy high end" to be forthcoming.

Pass claims is "a more accurate representation of the recording venue" in which "layering of the instruments in the orchestra allows the orchestra to seem present in the listening room" with "more space and air around instruments, which leads to a greater sense of ease and music flow."
 
Ian, you're going to face a tough decision pretty quick !

I don't know if this will work for you or not, but try evaluating each set of amps and see if there is something that sticks out that is a deal breaker.
Something that you just can't live with.

Then move onto the things you love, and see which amps have that little something you can't live without.

Hope this helps !
 
Ian, It would be interesting to get your take on whether the frequency extremes are tilted up or extended (or both). I would hope what you are experiencing is extension of a flat frequency response on the ends as opposed to a nonlinear result. Tilt up would be a somewhat of a surprise from Pass IMO.
 
Ian, Thanks for the very detailed description of the .8's. Fascinating to hear about your journey. May I ask roughly how many hours the amps have played at this point? Based on the descriptions from Pass I would expect the "open and airy high end" to be forthcoming.

Let's see... I got them Feb 28th and they were on non-stop for 5 full days (playing music for most of this time). Tomorrow I will have had them 2 weeks but they haven't been on all the time.

Rough guess = 260 hours.
 
Ian, you're going to face a tough decision pretty quick !

I don't know if this will work for you or not, but try evaluating each set of amps and see if there is something that sticks out that is a deal breaker.
Something that you just can't live with.

Then move onto the things you love, and see which amps have that little something you can't live without.

Hope this helps !

I think that's pretty good advice, Mark. The good news is I don't have to make a decision this week so I'll have more time to burn in the new amps and do some more comparison. Already I know there are aspects I like in both.
 
Ian, It would be interesting to get your take on whether the frequency extremes are tilted up or extended (or both). I would hope what you are experiencing is extension of a flat frequency response on the ends as opposed to a nonlinear result. Tilt up would be a somewhat of a surprise from Pass IMO.

I agree that it wouldn't be like Pass to exaggerate anything. The highs are certainly not tilted up. It sort of reminds me of the difference between the XP-20 and the XP-30 preamps - the latter is very warm and thick sounding by comparison.
 
I think that's pretty good advice, Mark. The good news is I don't have to make a decision this week so I'll have more time to burn in the new amps and do some more comparison. Already I know there are aspects I like in both.

That's great Ian !!

We are all very interested in your opinion.
 
Let's see... I got them Feb 28th and they were on non-stop for 5 full days (playing music for most of this time). Tomorrow I will have had them 2 weeks but they haven't been on all the time.

Rough guess = 260 hours.

Ian,

For what its worth I think its essential you try to give the amps and cables more time to burn in and I think you will be in for a real treat. According to the boys I talk to at Pass the xa160.8's will be better than the xa200.5's in everyway....speed, frequency extension, sound stage, overall dynamics, etc. And, according to Kent (specifically) in his opinion the xa160.8's are the "sweet spot" in the entire .8 line.

Don't through in the towel yet. Try to get the time you need...and good luck. I must admit, I would love to be in your shoes!
 
Agree with Flexible...take your time, but equally importantly, allow the system to burn in and stabilize. Otherwise, you may risk making calls on parts that are still shifting in sound. You have put so much time into a wonderful selection of components...whose reputation as creating 'good synergy'...are well well documented. Pass, Wilson, Transparent Cable, Stillpoints, Shunyata and great analogue. These companies don't just upgrade for upgrade's sake as far as I have experienced or observed. The system mix is still important...but I would say put together the 'best architecture' you think SHOULD work...160.8s, shunyata, Stillpoints, etc...burn that sucker in 24/7...and then settle back, listen and start tweaking 1 bit at a time.

Good luck.
 
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